Re: [NTLK] newtontalk Digest V2 #453

From: Oliver Brose (
Date: Thu Jun 20 2002 - 11:23:45 EDT

>Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:44:45 +0200
>Subject: Re: [NTLK] [OT] Football and nationalism, now: GERMZ
>From: Jon Glass <>
>on 6/19/02 7:08 PM, machula at wrote:
>> Even if we don't have them, we take the liberty of stealing the rights.
>> We also have duties, or obligations towards nature, the planet, other
>> monkeys, etc...
>I hate to ask it, but since you said it, you have opened yourself to it. :-)
>But, by what standard, or what law, or on what basis do you make such a
>statement? I mean, I don't see the lion worrying about the rights of the
>antelope she is chasing down. That antelope has no rights when it comes to
>the lion's survival. (BTW, it would be interesting to see someone try to
>make the lion respect the rights of her prey.) :-) When locusts come and
>decimate an area of land, eating it up, or when the deer destroy a woods in
>the winter, because all of their food is buried under the snow, and they eat
>the bark off all the trees, killing them, the local environment doesn't have
>any rights. Besides, what about other animals' obligations toward us? What
>about "other" monkeys' obligations to us? There is not an animal on this
>earth that respects the rights of other animals. We humans are the only ones
>on this earth who do that. Why do you make humans the exception? What is
>your basis for this? Why are humans treated differently? I'm sorry but what
>you said is inconsistent, and doesn't have any basis in the reality you are

A self-reflective consciousness.
A mind that can go beyond eat, sleep, mate, or at least should be able to.
That is what makes the difference.

Oliver :)

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