You flaming idiot. Is public humiliation your idea of fun? Just what in
the world made you decide to forward this at all, let alone to a
LIST!?!?! Don't bother to reply. You have been permabanned form my mail
server.
On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 06:13 PM, Zander Goss wrote:
>
> ------ Forwarded Message
> From: Ginnie <ginnies_at_earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: ginnies_at_earthlink.net
> Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 22:06:24 -0600
> To: Alex Kreicbergs <akreic1_at_hallmark.com>, Anita Schuessler
> <anita_at_brainfood.com>, Cynthia Burnett <cyburcoon_at_yahoo.com>, Karen
> Martin
> <KKristeneM_at_aol.com>, Lowell Butson <lab112946_at_aol.com>, Mark Carnes
> <mark_at_prosperityworks.com>, Michael McLellan <mmclellan_at_kc.rr.com>,
> Michael
> Ryan-Wenger <ryanwenger_at_aol.com>, Monica Ponchellia Stachler
> <MLStachler_at_mvh.org>, Nancy Rhoades Oliver <NOliver_at_DLSCPA.com>,
> "NEWS-NBC
> Ch.41 KSHB" <News_at_kshb.com>, Ramon Magee <Ramon1116_at_aol.com>
> Cc: Jack Madden <JMa5709379_at_AOL.COM>
> Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: Fw: Fw: Fw: Keep this moving!]
>
> Hi, friends!
>
> I've seen this info before, and was skeptical about it. But coming now
> from my friend Jack Madden, who served in VietNam around the time
> these captives went through the following ordeals, I believe it.
>
> My one comment is, though, the 1978 date given for "Jerry Driscoll, a
> River Rat. In 1978, the former Commandant of..." might be a typo
> for 1968. What makes me think that is the "In '78, the AF Col. still (?)
> suffered from double vision " and the 1968-ish dates for the other
> prisoners captivity. I could be wrong.
>
> Doesn't matter. It's a ghoulish report, and I believe it's truthful.
>
> Ginnie
> ____________________________________
>
> JMa5709379_at_aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Subject: Fw: Fw: Fw: Keep this moving!
>> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:48:04 -0800
>> From: "Bruce Leake" <leaxloft_at_msn.com>
>> To: "bophus1936" <bophus1936_at_earthlink.net>, "Brent Ginther"
>> <sar_at_mynra.com>,
>> "Bruce Ginther" <cr8photo_at_msn.com>,
>> "Christy Heimlick" <bluebuggy1_at_msn.com>, "CRYSAMS"
>> <CRYSAMS_at_cs.com>,
>> "defeo" <oldone_at_zigs.net>, "Emily Grin" <grinemily_at_hotmail.com>,
>> "hilllloyd1" <hilllloyd1_at_earthlink.net>,
>> "Fred" <hohum12_at_earthlink.net>, "J_Lauer" <J_Lauer_at_email.msn.com>,
>> "Jack Madden" <JMa5709379_at_aol.com>, "Jake" <SK8DAFUNK_at_YAHOO.com>,
>> "Randy & Betty Duarte" <jbduarte_at_juno.com>,
>> "Jim Deas" <seaoatsmedical_at_knology.net>,
>> "Joe Luft & Family" <jlufts_at_cs.com>, "Karp" <Karp_at_compuserve.com>,
>> "Larry Drumm" <larrydrumm_at_juno.com>, "Larry Grin"
>> <lgrin_at_neo.rr.com>,
>> "Marvin e. Purdy" <marv_at_adams.net>, "Matt" <Trundle90_at_cs.com>,
>> "Michael Leake & Family" <leakeland_at_aol.com>,
>> "Patty Jones" <Pljonesy29_at_aol.com>, "Ray Wheeler"
>> <YoRay1985_at_msn.com>,
>> "rleake" <rleake_at_prodigy.net>, "Robin Jones"
>> <rjones02_at_twcny.rr.com>,
>> "Stefan Ginther" <Stefan-Ginther_at_ouhsc.edu>,
>> "Tracyv007" <Tracyv007_at_cs.com>I agree with Archie, see next
>> comment.Bruce
>>> ----- Original Message -----From: Archie BryanSent: Thursday,
>>> February 28,
>>> 2002 5:21 PMTo: c.matthiesen; DEAN W LANCASTER; Dick & Barb;
>>> KEYMAKERROY;
>>> honeycutt354; leaxloft; mike & bobbie; mike & Linda; Sheila Deason;
>>> Stuandthecrew; Vickie BryanSubject: Fw: Fw: Fw: Keep this moving! I
>>> cant say
>>> that this is 100% accurate but I believe she did itArchie-----
>>> Original
>>> Message -----
>>>> moving!
>>>>
> Subj: KEEP THIS MOVING; ACROSS AMERICAHONORING A TRAITOR This is for
> all the
> kids born in the 70's that do not remember this, and didn't have to
> bear the
> burden, that our fathers, mothers, and older brothers and sisters had to
> bear.Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the
> Century."
> Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never
> known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but
> specific
> men who served and sacrificed during <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns =
> "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Vietnam.
>
> The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry
> Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1978, the former Commandant of the
> USAFSurvivalSchool was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton." Dragged
> from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean
> PJs,
> he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the
> "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda,
> was
> clubbed, and dragged away.
>
> During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the campCommandant's
> feet, which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still
> suffered
> from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the
> Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton.From 1963-65,
> Col.
> Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4Es). He spent 6 -years in the
> "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action". His wife
> lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the
> cleaned,
> fed, clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.
>
> They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that
> they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his
> SSN
> on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
> cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking
> little
> encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and
> "Are
> you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?"
> Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of
> paper.
>
> She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and
> once
> the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she
> turned
> to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers.
> Three men
> died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four
> but
> he survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that
> day.
>
> I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was
> captured
> by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held
> for
> over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a
> cage
> in Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese
> captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse
> in a
> leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle
> near
> the Cambodian border.
>
> At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is
> 170
> lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."
>
> When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist
> political
> officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes,
> for I
> would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received
> different
> from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by
> Jane
> Fonda, as "humane and lenient." Because of this, I spent three days on a
> rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of
> steel
> placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped.
>
> I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours
> after I
> was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
> She
> did not answer me.
>
> This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100
> Years
> of Great Women." Lest we forget..."100 years of great women" should
> never
> include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many
> patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but
> Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.
>
> Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can.
> It
> will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we
> will
> never forget.
> <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-
> com:office:office"
> />
> --- Archie Bryan--- menida_at_earthlink.net--- EarthLink: It's your
> Internet.
>
>
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