Re: [NTLK] help!

From: Jeremy Bond Shepherd (
Date: Mon Mar 25 2002 - 17:48:40 EST

>Great sig. I love it.

I don't. Religious proselytizing stinks no matter where it's done, but
particularly when it's so off-topic and repetitive as this sig is on the
Newtontalk list.

It's also misleading; John Adams made a lot of antireligious statements as
well, including:

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of
the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the
Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"

My favorite is:

"Let the human mind loose. It must be loose. It will be loose. Superstition
and dogmatism cannot confine it."

And he also affixed his signature to the following statement (in the treaty
of Tripoli):

"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on
the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against
the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] ... it is declared
... that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an
interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries....
"The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish
or a Mohammedan nation."

I would hope that anyone seriously interested in the role of religion in
the founding of the U.S. government spend some time researching authors
beyond David Barton.


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