Re: [NTLK] {OT} Classic campers

From: Martin Joseph (
Date: Sun Dec 05 2004 - 10:53:40 PST

On Dec 5, 2004, at 7:01 AM, DJ Vollkasko wrote:

So you thing the vw bug is more reliable then a modern car! LOL!

And you talk about safety concern due to too much power? The bug is as
dangerous any vehicle EVER been built IMO. It's good in roll overs
though(I have been in one and we just tipped it back over and kept
driving) :~)

> I only wished there'd be a simple and effective fuel cell package on=20
> could strap onto the old cars and in small for the Newton, so we
> could=20=
> get out of the death grip the fossile fuel industry has on us
> (Europe=20
> lost ten thousands of people in the heat wave 2003, and now that=20
> weather event has been connected beyond
> assumptions/rumors/conventional=20=
> wisdom by reasearchers to human impact on the environment).

This is nonsense. Fuel cells in no way would free anyone from fossil
fuels. Unless you are pro nuclear?

Hydrogen needs to come from somewhere and the most common source of it
is water, which needs to be split, which is a net LOSS of energy.
Usually this is done with coal or oil as the input, but nuclear is
also being discussed.

This means you need to input even MORE energy to get your "clean"
hydrogen. This is also a problem with bio mass and biodiesel products,
as they are grown with petro derived fertilizers.


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