From: Zoont Foomby (zoontf_at_gmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 20 2005 - 21:16:52 PDT
As for a poll... isn't there some Newton oriented phpBB forum site out there
which we could run the poll on? Running a poll on a phpBB is pretty
straightforward for people that don't even know HTML or web programming. Of
course anyone could whip up a little poll proggie in a few minutes (I
could), but if there is already a Newton hub using phpBB, then why bother?
You also woudn't have to handle the hosting question if you used an existing
poll function....
BTW, for a reasonable amount, I'd buy this upgrade... if I *knew* it
wouldn't f*ck up my MP2100 in any way.
It seems like another problem with this is the lack of available
test-fodder. I'd hate to see too many working Newts killed in order to move
this forward... sacrificial newts... both in order to test the final product
and, presumably, in order to create the final product (I can't imagine the
hack will work perfectly the first time through...).
Best of luck if this ever gets pulled off.
On 10/20/05, William Pociengel <hseldon_at_my.wgu.edu> wrote:
>
> John Hay wrote:
> > Thursday, October 20, 2005 at 8:31:31 AM Eastern Standard Time
> >
> > If I don't hear from someone(s) then this project will never leave the
> > ground. I don't have the technical expertise to coordinate that side of
> > the plan.
> > Yes, this is a repost of my prior cry for a volunteer this past Tuesday,
> > see the post on List, here's a snip:
> >
> > Regarding the possibility of putting together a one-time production run
> > of 12 MB internal memory chips .......
>
> The biggest part of the HW side is finding enough drivable lines to
> address additional memory (without getting into yucky page swapping).
> I've never hacked my newt so i couldn't tell you what resources are
> available for use; and i no longer have access to logic analyzers to
> poke around with. so this part would need to come from someone who has
> already done the poking. spec'ing out chips, laying out pcb's, finding a
> fab, QA, etc are the 'easy' part.
>
> From the SW side you need a mechanism to flip the bitty address lines
> (wherever you happen to find them). oh and that all has to be
> transparent to the OS so you need hooks into the OS to allow this to
> happen. I doubt the newt has all of these extra address lines just
> sitting there tied to ground waiting to be exploited. so you need
> someone who is very familiar with the OS at a pretty deep level.
>
> the other issue is as the amount of memory grows then so does the
> overhead in managing the memory, which is more than just addressing it
> but allocating, releasing (garbage collection) and such. then if you
> want to get fancy you could toss in some routines for compaction, which
> i 'think' are already in there.
>
> oh and one more item, for something like this you need either patience
> to allow it to happen or you need to hire the expertise. you'll likely
> not get this done by making a request and then wondering if you haven't
> heard back in 3 days; unless you wave VERY large sums of _$$$$$_ cash.
> in which case when would you like delivery, this afternoon or would
> tomorrow morning be to late ;-)
> --
> special knowledge can be a terrible disadvantage if it leads you too far
> along a path that you cannot explain anymore.
>
> mentat admonition
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