[NTLK] Newton MessagePad Items FS

From: D. R. <mrramsay_at_hotmail.com>
Date: Wed Sep 10 2008 - 12:21:03 EDT

Hello List...
 
I have decided to further reduce my MessagePad collection down to my 2100, Orinoco Silver card and Ethernet Lan PC card (still in hope of doing NPDS!!)
 
That being said, I am offering the balance of items for sale. Some of you may have remembered the first sale I had last year. It was a pleasure doing business with the list subscribers. I've been using the Newton since I got my first MP100 in '95 and have used every model since. This list has been great, everyone from Grant and Vince, down the line.
 
All items can be seen here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrfresh/sets/72157603390073545/
 
I am asking for best reasonable offers and hope they will go to good homes. I may have an extra OEM stylus and battery cage. Every thing pictured in this set *with the exception of the Ethernet LAN PC card* is for sale.
 
Thanks for the read..."keep the green"
 
Doug************************************************ Sunday Soundtrack Podcast: http://vibesnscribes.com/?cat=3Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/SFTFFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id93172905Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/mrfreshBlackberry Mail: groove7_at_vzw.blackberry.net************************************************> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:17:45 -0400> From: newtontalk_at_newtontalk.net> To: newtontalk_at_newtontalk.net> Subject: newtontalk Digest V8 #399> > Send list messages to: newtontalk_at_newtontalk.net> List problems? newtontalk-admins_at_newtontalk.net> > Got a question?> > Newton FAQ: http://www.chuma.org/newton/faq/> WikiWikiNewt: http://tools.unna.org/wikiwikinewt/> ------------------------------------> newtontalk Digest Mon, 08 Sep 2008 Volume: 08 Issue: 399> > In This Issue:> [NTLK] Adjust Backlight Brightness MessagePad 2000?> Re: [NTLK] 2010 fix> Re: [NTLK] 2010 fix> Re: [NTLK] 2010 fix> Re: [NTLK] share with your iphone-toting friends> Re: [NTLK] 2010 fix> Re: [NTLK] Adjust Backlight Bri
ghtness MessagePad 2000?> Re: [NTLK] 2010 fix> [NTLK] Emate speedup> [NTLK] 2010 fix> [NTLK] time zone question> Re: [NTLK] 2010 fix> Re: [NTLK] Emate speedup> Re: [NTLK] 2010 fix> Re: [NTLK] Recommendations on VT100 terminal emulator for Ne> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:17:34 -0700 (PDT)> From: Ryan Vetter <physicalconstants@yahoo.ca>> Subject: [NTLK] Adjust Backlight Brightness MessagePad 2000?> > I have looked could not find any info on this. Is it possible to adjust the brightness of the backlight of the MessagePad 2000? I just acquired a 2100 and the backlight is so much brighter. Not sure why, both were unused for their entire life. Why one would be so much brighter than the other I don't know.> Also, although the 2000 was upgraded, the 2100 feels faster. Not sure why. Probably the fact that the 2000 uses the ATA card, wereas the 2100 uses linear flash. I have loads of stuff on that ATA mind you. On this note, how to tell w
hat OS the Newton is running?> > > > __________________________________________________________________> Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php> > ------------------------------> > From: Ken Whitcomb <ken_at_imageguild.com>> Subject: Re: [NTLK] 2010 fix> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:19:07 -0400> > James,> The terms alpha and beta refer to the stage in the development and > testing process that the code is in. While the attributes that you > ascribe to each stage are typical, they do not define the terms. It > is feasible that one application in alpha can demonstrate fewer > problems than another that is officially in beta. At times, the stage > that code is assigned to is a reflection of how ready those writing > the code are to move to the next step in the development process. > We've all seen how software that is moved out of beta isn't always > ready, and even how some software (
e.g. Longhorn) doesn't make it out > of what we generally consider "beta". In fact there are multiple sub- > processes that we in the general public typically aren't even aware > of in the development and testing processes.> best,> ken> On Sep 8, 2008, at 8:14 PM, James Wages wrote:> > > But if that is true (and I believe it is), then why is it > > considered "alpha"> > software? For indeed, Alpha version software is typically not > > usable at all> > either due to bugs which plague it and/or due to it being "feature> > incomplete." So if there are no major bugs and if it is largely > > "feature> > complete," I would expect it to have been called "beta" or "pre- > > release"> > rather than "alpha." But then again, perhaps the individual who > > programmed> > it simply did not understand the differences between "alpha" and > > "beta"> > software.> > > > > ------------------------------> > Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:25:41 +0900> Subject: Re: [NTLK] 2010 fix> From: James Wages <james@kiramek.com>> > Hi Ken,> > T
hanks for the detailed explanation.> > For the sake of clarity, my remarks simply stemmed from the fact that I have> been on many software companies beta teams in the past, and all of these> companies have classified their "alpha" grade software as "feature> incomplete." Whether there are more or fewer "bugs" versus "Beta" is> subject to more debate.> > So in making my previous remarks, I was indirectly wondering if this Newton> software is in fact, "feature incomplete." And if so, I wonder what is> missing.> > It was also said that many people have tested this software and found that> setting the date to 2010 causes no problems, but is that true for most> packages, some packages? It would be nice to see a comprehensive> compatibility/trouble chart if anyone has ever made the time to create that.> I think that, more than anything else, would shed light on just how well> this 2010 fix works.> > Best,> > James Wages> > ============> > On 9/9/08 11:19 AM, "Ken Whitcomb" <ken@imageguild.com> wrote:> > > James,>
> The terms alpha and beta refer to the stage in the development and> > testing process that the code is in. While the attributes that you> > ascribe to each stage are typical, they do not define the terms. It> > is feasible that one application in alpha can demonstrate fewer> > problems than another that is officially in beta. At times, the stage> > that code is assigned to is a reflection of how ready those writing> > the code are to move to the next step in the development process.> > We've all seen how software that is moved out of beta isn't always> > ready, and even how some software (e.g. Longhorn) doesn't make it out> > of what we generally consider "beta". In fact there are multiple sub-> > processes that we in the general public typically aren't even aware> > of in the development and testing processes.> > best,> > ken> > On Sep 8, 2008, at 8:14 PM, James Wages wrote:> > > >> But if that is true (and I believe it is), then why is it> >> considered "alpha"> >> software? For indeed, Alpha version sof
tware is typically not> >> usable at all> >> either due to bugs which plague it and/or due to it being "feature> >> incomplete." So if there are no major bugs and if it is largely> >> "feature> >> complete," I would expect it to have been called "beta" or "pre-> >> release"> >> rather than "alpha." But then again, perhaps the individual who> >> programmed> >> it simply did not understand the differences between "alpha" and> >> "beta"> >> software.> > > > > > > > > > ====================================================================> > The NewtonTalk Mailing List - http://www.newtontalk.net/> > The Official Newton FAQ - http://www.splorp.com/newton/faq/> > The Newton Glossary - http://www.splorp.com/newton/glossary/> > WikiWikiNewt - http://tools.unna.org/wikiwikinewt/> > ====================================================================> > > > ------------------------------> > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:15:59 -0700> From: Bob Carls Dudney <kosmicdollop_at_saber.net>> Subject: Re: [NTLK] 2010 fix> > On 8/9/08,
 rhonda@write-on.org wrote: > |> >This topic came up just last week...> >> >several people have tested it..extensively> > I didn't continue the previous thread because I had deleted it when I > thought of the fix. Next time I'll get it off the archive to avoid > misunderstanding.> > As I recall the thread, one of the two people who were reported as > having tested it was Jon Glass, who then wrote in to say his testing > wasn't definitive.> > I'm not ready to risk my precious data on Avi's fix.> > If by March 2010 or so no ones' reporting problems, that's a different story.> > Or better yet someone figures out how to patch/change the ROM's start > date by several decades.> > Although it just occurred to me that would change dates in existing > data, moving them forward the same amount. So one would also need a > utility to update soups.> > 1904 and 30 (?) bits dates is one of if not worst decision(s) Newton > engineers made.> > And how fabulous that's the top of a very short list!> > Best,> > B C D> > -------
-----------------------> > From: "Tony Kan" <tonykan_at_xtra.co.nz>> Subject: Re: [NTLK] share with your iphone-toting friends> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:25:36 +1200> > Hey, I didn't know you could double tap the clipboard and get multiple> copies??!!! :)> > Still learning new things after all these years of daily use...> > Tony> [snip]> On Sep 4, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Charles Mangin wrote:> > > i used Einstein to whip up a demo video of how copy & paste works on> > the Newton, as a way to show how it might be implemented on the> > iPhone/> > iPod Touch.> >> > http://mentalhygiene.com/index.php/2008/09/04/how-the-iphone-can-do-> > copypaste/> >> > share and enjoy.> > Speaking of sharing, your video made it on the front page of> Gizmodo.com. Congrats> > http://tinyurl.com/67xg4w> [snip]> > > ------------------------------> > From: "Matt Howe" <matthowe_at_comcast.net>> Subject: Re: [NTLK] 2010 fix> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 02:32:17 -0400> > I remember when the 2010 patch was first released. Because there had not> been muc
h testing of this patch it was labeled as "Alpha" Shortly there> after, the author minimized his Newton presence. As I have been running it> for a couple of years with no adverse effects and I have done some post 2010> test, (all of which worked just fine) I would consider it "Beta" if not> release software. Of course the only real conclusive test will come when we> use it day in and day out after 2010. But I am not worried. I think the> patch will work just fine.> > Matt (Ducky) Howe> Owner of a MP2000U and an Emate> mhowe_at_gfn.org (Newton)> matthowe_at_comcast.net (Desktop)> http://home.comcast.net/~mhowe41/> > > James Wages wrote:> <snip>> But if that is true (and I believe it is), then why is it considered "alpha"> software? For indeed, Alpha version software is typically not usable at all> either due to bugs which plague it and/or due to it being "feature> incomplete." So if there are no major bugs and if it is largely "feature> complete," I would expect it to have been called "beta" or "pre-release"> rathe
r than "alpha." But then again, perhaps the individual who programmed> it simply did not understand the differences between "alpha" and "beta"> software.> <snip>> > > ------------------------------> > Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:13:25 +0200> Subject: Re: [NTLK] Adjust Backlight Brightness MessagePad 2000?> From: "newton" <newton@nullachtfuenfzehn.de>> > newtontalk@newtontalk.net schreibt:> >I have looked could not find any info on this.† Is it possible to adjust> >the brightness of the backlight of the MessagePad 2000?†> > i think not. it's a different technology compared to modern displays.> so e.g. a macbook does'nt make a „ieeeep“-noise while shining :-)> > >I just acquired a 2100 and the backlight is so much brighter.† Not sure> >why, both were unused for their entire life.> > they are loosing their brightness over hours of use and living not forever.> > >I have loads of stuff on that ATA mind you.† On this note, how to tell> >what OS the Newton is running?> > try to „freeze“ unused application on your car
d and it should getting> faster.> > > best regards,> jan> > > ------------------------------> > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 12:29:56 +0200> From: "Jon Glass" <jonglass@usa.net>> Subject: Re: [NTLK] 2010 fix> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Bob Carls Dudney <kosmicdollop@saber.net> wrote:> > >>several people have tested it..extensively> > Actually, I'm not aware of anybody purposely testing it besides> myself--though I keep encouraging _somebody_ to test it! :-)> > > As I recall the thread, one of the two people who were reported as> > having tested it was Jon Glass, who then wrote in to say his testing> > wasn't definitive.> > And I'm not willing to call it definitive, because I'm one person,> with one Newton. (actually, I have a few, but they belong to my kids,> and they aren't too keen on the experiment, and didn't want me to try> it on theirs. ;-)> > As to the quality of the fix, I would say that it probably won't blow> up your Newton, or do horrible things to it, but it may cause problems> with some dates, o
r some programs that deal with dates. Avi was pretty> sure at the time that his fix would work, but he also was very> reluctant to claim any more than "alpha" status simply because of how> little testing that could be done.> > Here. I'll quote a post I wrote here a few days ago to give some idea> of what's necessary:> > ----------------------------> Ah, but who is willing to move their clock forward a couple years or> so, and keep it there for several days... I don't know how far the fix> has been stressed. My playing was, in a sense, artificial. I added and> removed a bunch of dates, and changed the years quite a few into the> future, but beyond that, I didn't do much. I think I also forgot to> stress-test the Assistant, and other, third-party apps (MoreInfo,> etc.) Also, since I probably did this on my 130, I am sure I didn't> use NIE or the internet, and I doubt I tried to send and receive> email. Nor did I try a syncing to the desktop--an other area for> potential failure (try syncing dates, for instance
).> > I would say that the fix2010 probably works for just keeping the> Newton from crashing, but I wouldn't guarantee it for anything more.> We may just have to wait until 2010 before we know anything for sure,> but I would presume, as I said, that at least we won't be going down> in flames!> > I'm still amazed that it is looking like I will still be using my> Newton in 2010!> ==========================> > Maybe we will get somebody "incentivalized" here (gotta love jargon)> to try to stress-test this on their own Newton.> > Here's all you need to do:> > Before you do anything below, make sure you've installed Avi's 2010fix software.> > 1. If you have a card to back up onto, do a complete backup onto your card.> 2. Backup onto your computer--again, do not do an incremental backup,> but a full backup.> 3. Make a second full backup, not an incremental, first renaming your> first backup so as to not overwrite it, and to make sure you have> redundancy on your computer.> 4. Make sure you have good, solid backups
.> 5. Making sure you have good, solid backups ;-) reset the clock to> sometime _after_ January, 2010 (why after? Because the zero date, I> think, is some date other than January 1, but I don't remember the> date) It would be simplest to just change the year, keeping the month> and time the same. Use the Setup program to do this, as it's the> easiest way.> 6. Add some new dates after January 2010. Best would be to add dates> for each month, including repeating dates.> 7. Use the Assistant to add dates.> 8. Use MoreInfo, TimeTrax, and othe software to add dates.> 9. Delete a few dates, and modify others.> 10. Play around with the Notepad, phone app, etc.> 11. Add a birthday to the Address Book.> 12. Move the clock forward to 2011, repeat steps 6-11.> 13. Move the clock forward a few years, and repeat steps 6-11> 14. Probably worth moving the clock back to 2010, and letting it work> in this state for a couple days. One thing I forgot was to add todos,> and let them roll over, to see what happens.> > There are,
 I'm sure, other things to check. For instance, the moon and> other astronomy software, database programs, HyperNewt, Alarm clock,> etc. Lots of software to check that depends on the calendar. Check it> all.> > When done, if you bonked your Newton, do a brain wipe, and restore. If> not, then delete all your new dates, and reset your clock back to the> present. Whatever you do, please report here! :-)> > -- > -Jon Glass> Krakow, Poland> <jonglass_at_usa.net>> > "I don't believe in philosophies. I believe in fundamentals." --Jack Nicklaus> > ------------------------------> > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 06:53:38 -0400> From: "Richard Lawson" <lawson89_at_gmail.com>> Subject: [NTLK] Emate speedup> > Can anyone who's recently done the emate speedup at:> http://www.felesmagus.com/newton/ematefast.html> > advice on part numbers for the crystals ? There are a million choices> at digikey.> > Thanks,> Rick> > ------------------------------> > From: Oliver Leaman <oliverleaman_at_hotmail.com>> Subject: [NTLK] 2010 fix> Date: Tue, 9 S
ep 2008 12:31:44 +0000> > I personally am going to wait until sometime into 2009 and then, if I am still alive and my Newtons are still working, I shall install the patch.> > By the way, the chances of the Newtons packing up are slight, at least as far as their mechanical parts go. I spent all day yesterday in the Health Department with kids who were banging away at my eMate, hitting the screen with the pen and other things less appropriate, and shoving in the card the wrong way round so hard it got stuck, and doing other horrible things to it, and it not only survived but looked as good as new afterwards. A remarkable product.> > Oliver> > _________________________________________________________________> Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live.> http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008> > ------------------------------> > From: Oliver Leaman <oliverleaman_at_hotmail.com>> Subject: [NTLK] time
zone question> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 12:36:02 +0000> > One puzzling thing on my indefatigable emate. The time zone always has as the other city Tokyo Japan; even if I change it in the right sort of way, once the machine resets it returns to that default. I cannot think why, I did set it to that once but you should be able to change the cities, shouldnt you? It used to be possible, but not now. Hardly important but if anyone has any ideas, I would be grateful.> > Oliver> > _________________________________________________________________> Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie.> http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008> > ------------------------------> > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:12:31 +0200> From: "Jon Glass" <jonglass_at_usa.net>> Subject: Re: [NTLK] 2010 fix> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Oliver Leaman <oliverleaman_at_hotmail.com> wrote:> > doing other horrible things to it, and it n
ot only survived but looked> > as good as new afterwards.> > Which is more than I would be able to say for the kids who handled> _my_ Newt that way! ;-)> > -- > -Jon Glass> Krakow, Poland> <jonglass_at_usa.net>> > "I don't believe in philosophies. I believe in fundamentals." --Jack Nicklaus> > ------------------------------> > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:21:16 -0400> From: "Sonny Hung" <sonnyhung_at_gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [NTLK] Emate speedup> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Richard Lawson <lawson89_at_gmail.com> wrote:> > Can anyone who's recently done the emate speedup at:> > http://www.felesmagus.com/newton/ematefast.html> >> > advice on part numbers for the crystals ? There are a million choices> > at digikey.> >> > So Rick,> > I recall that I used one of the major vendors when I ordered.> Going by the information I recall and specs that Stephanie listed here are> two options for you.> Though I suggest using the Through Hole version.> > 5.000 mHz Crystal Parallel 18pf> > Through Holes (suggested unit as the legs
 make it easier to solder)> http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name00-8475-ND> > Surface Mount (type that was used originally)> http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?nameS5-9087-1-ND> > I'd let someone more technical verify this info, but I did use them when> doing my hack to MP2x00 and eMate 300.> > -- > God bless,> > Sonny Hung> the Hung Family> > > > ------------------------------> > From: Woody Smith <woodysmith_at_comcast.net>> Subject: Re: [NTLK] 2010 fix> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 08:32:59 -0500> > I have followed this thread with some interest, and like some others > am counting on Avi's fix.> I will do a couple of backups when the day arrives.> > I am responding to the original post because I suspect that there will > be a couple of problems with simply setting the clock back to 1909/.> Birth dates entered into the address book, Notes are displayed be date > created so new notes will go to the beginning of the list and some > registered software may decide tha
t it is unregistered.> > Woody> > > On Sep 8, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Bob Carls Dudney wrote:> > > I searched archive a bit and didn't see this fix, so apologies if> > mentioned before:> >> > Unless somebody figures out how to patch the ROM so system's base> > date becomes 2004 or 1994 or so:> >> > On or before 31Dec09, set current date and time to on or before 31> > Dec 1909, then learn to ignore the 19 in front of the year, and that> > day of week is one day ahead* (too bad 1900 wasn't a leap year).> >> > ------------------------------> > From: "Steve" <steve@craftsathome.net>> Subject: Re: [NTLK] Recommendations on VT100 terminal emulator for Newton> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:15:21 -0400> > I wonder if anyone could be paid to do a SSH client? In these days of "don't> do anything in clear text", having such an animal would really really extend> the eMate/Newton life span.> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: newtontalk-bounce@newtontalk.net> [mailto:newtontalk-bounce@newtontalk.net] On Behalf Of newton> Sent
: Monday, September 08, 2008 5:27 AM> To: newtontalk_at_newtontalk.net> Subject: Re: [NTLK] Recommendations on VT100 terminal emulator for Newton> > hi rick.> > yes, pt100 is a stable solution!> i'm using it for connecting to our firstclass-server.> > best regards,> jan> > newtontalk_at_newtontalk.net schreibt:> >Any recommendations on a terminal emulator ?> > > > ==================================================================== > The NewtonTalk Mailing List - http://www.newtontalk.net/> The Official Newton FAQ - http://www.splorp.com/newton/faq/> The Newton Glossary - http://www.splorp.com/newton/glossary/> WikiWikiNewt - http://tools.unna.org/wikiwikinewt/> ====================================================================> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > End of newtontalk Digest V8 #399> ********************************>
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