[NTLK] The iPad is great, but...

robinson pereira gaudo1196 at gmail.com
Tue Apr 6 13:15:58 EDT 2010


I agree: No Pen = No Sale for me.
I am selling my iPhone and buying an HTC TOUCH HD. This device has a stylus.





2010/4/6 Ross Deihm <adventuresindining at gmail.com>

> I'm sorry, but Pogo Stylus and finger input is nowhere as tactile as a TTF
> Screen and a pen stylus. It bothers me that such things are often pointed
> to
> as a solution. I have a touch screen Android Phone and it makes sense that
> this small device could maximize screen space and input area using a touch
> screen, not requiring a user to pull out a stylus. This fingertip method
> does not translate to larger screens. Touch screens of this type limit the
> input method totally to onscreen keyboards (costing display space) and for
> people to adapt to input. This forced input is rather annoying to me.
>
> I know the Newton was made at a time when alternative input methods were
> more explored and accepted by older business people who may have still been
> on the hunt and peck method of keyboard use, but it's not something that
> should be ignored, or viewed as "old school." I for one like to sit down
> and
> write sometimes, it's very natural and a fun way of getting information
> into
> digital form. It also allows for drawing and sketching with out downloading
> or paying for extra software.
>
> I said it when I saw it: No Pen = No Sale for me.
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Carlos Pessoa <carlos.pessoa at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Actually I don't mind Apple not including this Notes app with the
> > iPad. They can offer whatever they want bundled with the device to
> > meet the demand for the niche they envision using the device. However,
> > it astonishes me that not a single developer, even the ones that are
> > coding note taking apps, copied or improved the Newton "Notes". If you
> > don't feel like inputing data with your finger, you can always buy a
> > pogo stylus to get the job done. Good HWR might be more difficult to
> > implement, but all the other features seems to be pretty doable.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Lord Groundhog <lordgroundhog at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > > ~~~ On 2010/04/06 15:38, Carlos Pessoa at carlos.pessoa at gmail.comwrote
> > ~~~
> > >
> > >> ...                                                            How
> > >> come no one could develop something similar to the iPhone OS
> > >> platform?? ...
> > >
> > > Maybe because King Steven the Big Jobs neglected to see the point of
> > > including HWR and a stylus?  As much as I like the Notes app on my
> > Newtons,
> > > I would hate -- yes, that's the word, **hate** -- to be using it with
> my
> > > fingertip.  In fact, I just tried writing a sentence on my Newt with my
> > > finger.  It's a really unsatisfying, "wrong" feeling, like eating an
> ice
> > > cream soda, with mint chip ice cream covered in fudge sauce and whipped
> > > cream and sliced almonds, with your fingers.  The sheer pleasure of the
> > > stylus sliding over the screen with that ever-so-slight friction is a
> > > tactile pleasure I would miss.
> > >
> > >> Is it that difficult?
> > >
> > > It is if there's no HWR, and only a choice of an optional real keyboard
> > or
> > > an on-screen keyboard.  No, actually, it's not so much "difficult" as
> > > "unaesthetic" and pointless.
> > >
> > > To be a little serious here, I really think that the primary issue at
> > least
> > > for iPad 1.0, is aesthetics + the projected market niche.  By market
> > niche I
> > > mean what Apple sees us doing with it; Jobs' "default" concept of what
> > the
> > > iPad brings to users.  By aesthetics I mean how Apple sees us doing
> those
> > > things.  And to me, the way to define what those things will mean most
> of
> > > the time is summed up by an image.   It's an image of people relaxing
> at
> > a
> > > sidewalk table at a café, or sitting in their living room or in bed or
> at
> > > the breakfast table, or perhaps even lounging by a pool (carefully!!)
> at
> > > home or on holiday, paging through the news or watching some web media
> or
> > > tapping out a brief e-mail or two, and maybe the odd tweet (yes I know;
> > most
> > > tweets are odd).
> > >
> > > So in my imagination, what are the primary actions by the iPad user,
> > > according to this aesthetic interpretation of what I believe is the
> > initial
> > > projected market niche?  Looking, turning pages, selecting, the
> > occasional
> > > formation of a few words or sentences by tapping on the on-screen
> > keyboard,
> > > and most of all, relaxing and consuming e-stuff.  Now why on earth
> would
> > you
> > > include even the regular Notes app with that?  That would be like
> > installing
> > > a wall of free weights, a squat rack and a Smith machine in a flotation
> > > tank.
> > >
> > > For me that's just not a tool I can use.  If it weren't so expensive I
> > could
> > > see getting one as a recreational/passive consumer device --  if I
> needed
> > > one of those.  Now my Newton -- well, it's done over 5 hours of hard
> > graft
> > > so far today, and I don't even use it for e-mails yet.
> > >
> > > OTOH, I suspect (or should I say "hope"?) the iPad will grow up to be a
> > real
> > > work-tool someday.  I can see it now.  Of course in my ideal world,
> it'd
> > > have to become that bit smaller so it would be more portable, and it
> > would
> > > have a stylus and HWR, and fully integrated and interacting killer
> apps.
> >  Oh
> > > wait, I'm describing a Newton....  ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > > Just my 2 tiny, copper-coloured coins of negligible value in the
> > (inflated)
> > > currency of your choice.
> > >
> > >
> > > Shalom.
> > > Christian
> > >
> > > ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
> > >
> > > ³Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from a Newton.²
> > >            -- what Arthur C. Clarke meant
> > >
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> > >
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