[NTLK] h*cks, kr*ks, SN

[Norman Palardy]

On 17-Jan-10, at 11:07 AM, Anthony Martinez wrote:

> Excerpts from Norman Palardy's message of Sun Jan 17 10:44:08 -0700  
> 2010:
>>
>> On 16-Jan-10, at 6:54 PM, Jim Lee wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, that is a totally ridiculous statement!  Did you think before
>>> you typed??
>>
>> The materials author (whether it's software, books ,etc) retains
>> copyright regardless of whether we can get in touch with them or not.
>
> This is correct.

The copyright exists.
Damages are not important unless you expect to have to pay them.

>
>> Knowingly violating that copyright just because we think it's
>> "abandonware" does not make it right or legal.
>
> Says you. It appears that the position of the list is that software  
> is abandoned
> when repeated attempts to find the author *in order to give them the  
> money they
> ask* have failed. Serial trade is, in some cases, the ONLY thing  
> that can be
> done for this software to be anything other than a useless lump of  
> bits!

The list is judge and jury now ?
WOW !
I guess we can abandon the entire legal system and just use a email  
list for everything :)

>> Trying to defend a position that tries to make it sound high minded
>> and moral is untenable.
>
> I find it fairly untenable to publicly and angrily take offense on  
> behalf of a
> nebulous third party that appears to be uncontactable, in order to  
> sound
> high-minded and moral. Cough.

Obeying the law of the land is optional based on whether you can find  
the author ?

Interesting thought

>> It's theft and you know it.
>
> Actually, it's copyright infringement.
> "Software theft via serial number generator" sounds like "Music  
> grievous bodily harm by home taping".

Either way it's outlawed :)

>> Sadly the internet age has made it easy to be a thief - you no longer
>> have to walk into a store and put products into your pockets and risk
>> getting caught.
>> Now you download a bunch of bits.
>> And somehow people think this is ok
>
> Go on riding your high-horse into the sunset

Only because I know I ain't a petty thief