[NTLK] Einstein on Windows
Lloyd A. Conway
doc_retro at juno.com
Fri Nov 29 10:00:05 EST 2013
Hello, Matthias:
I have a Win 7 Fujitsu Lifebook with stylus and am willing to try this. Once I
Have it downloaded I will let everyone know how it goes.
Regarss,
-Lloyd
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> 1. Re: Einstein-Windows--any other potential users out there?
> (Matthias Melcher)
> 2. Re: Einstein-Windows--any other potential users out there? (Dan)
> 3. Re: Einstein crashing on boot attempt (Frank Gruendel)
> 4. Re: Einstein-Windows--any other potential users out there?
> (Matthias Melcher)
> 5. Re: Einstein crashing on boot attempt (Frank Gruendel)
> 6. Re: Einstein crashing on boot attempt (Frank Gruendel)
> 7. Re: Einstein-Windows--any other potential users out there?
> (Tony Morrow)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:05:37 +0100
>From: Matthias Melcher <mm at matthiasm.com>
>Subject: Re: [NTLK] Einstein-Windows--any other potential users out
> there?
>To: newtontalk at newtontalk.net, Mr Jonathan Dueck
> <jonathandueck at yahoo.com>
>Message-ID: <306306EB-A0C1-4EE3-BB96-DBF087AA5133 at matthiasm.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>On 13.11.2013, at 17:17, Mr Jonathan Dueck <jonathandueck at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Newtontalk friends!
>>
>> It's been some time since I posted... I got a new job this year that came with a Surface Pro (not a Pro 2). I'm interested in trying out Einstein on it, but (as the issues list page shows: http://code.google.com/p/einstein/issues/list) it crashes on boot attempt.
>
>That is unfortunate. I have no Windows machines available, so I can not test or fix this in any way. Is there a developer out there who can take over this task?
>
>> The Surface Pro seems like a good device for using Einstein in that it's reasonably fast and has an active digitizer. (And it can also support classic Mac emulators, so we could maybe even sync Einstein with Basilisk on it--neat idea?)
>
>Unfortunately neither EInstein nor Basilisk have a fully functional serial port emulation. Sync via Ethernet works a bit already, but there is some work left to do.
>
>> I'm wondering if anyone else out there in Newtontalk land is a Windows 7 or 8 user who wants to try Einstein out. Maybe we could try things out and contribute bug reports, etc., and together figure out what's going on. I'm not a coder, but I'm not afraid to try compiling things, messing with bug reports, etc.
>
>That would be great. I should probably give it another try to publish Einstein again and get some more attention from external developers.
>
> - Matthias
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:00:39 -0500
>From: Dan <dan at dbdigitalweb.com>
>Subject: Re: [NTLK] Einstein-Windows--any other potential users out
> there?
>To: newtontalk at newtontalk.net
>Message-ID: <5283CC57.20407 at dbdigitalweb.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>I am also not a developer, but would be willing to test and send bug
>reports. I was wondering about the status of this and last I heard it
>either ran really really really slow after 10 minutes of useage or just
>crashed on boot.
>
>I don't have a Mac so I can't say how well it works on that. I have
>been thinking I could possibly run OS X under VirtualBox, probably would
>be a lot of tricking to get it work then run Einstein on that. But then
>we are talking two virtual machines, and another layer of complexity
>would make it more difficult to track down issues so probably not worth
>it. But if anyone has done this, or knows of someone that has, by all
>means let me know. :)
>
>-Dan
>
>On 11/13/2013 12:05 PM, Matthias Melcher wrote:
>
>>> I'm wondering if anyone else out there in Newtontalk land is a Windows 7 or 8 user who wants to try Einstein out. Maybe we could try things out and contribute bug reports, etc., and together figure out what's going on. I'm not a coder, but I'm not afraid to try compiling things, messing with bug reports, etc.
>>
>> That would be great. I should probably give it another try to publish Einstein again and get some more attention from external developers.
>>
>> - Matthias
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 21:25:41 +0100
>From: "Frank Gruendel" <newtontalk at pda-soft.de>
>Subject: Re: [NTLK] Einstein crashing on boot attempt
>To: <newtontalk at newtontalk.net>
>Message-ID: <58BB1802A1FE41B6BF313321B20FFA30 at xpdesktop1>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Jon,
>
>provided you can establish a physical connection between your Android device
>and your Windows computer (which normally only requires the right USB
>cable): Do you feel confident to use the adb debugger? You can find a
>description and a download link here:
>
> <http://developer.android.com/tools/help/adb.html>
>
>To make this work, you will have to enable the developer mode on your
>Android device. This setting usually lurks somewhere at
>
> Apps - Settings - System - Developer Options - Debugging - USB
>debugging
>
>Once this is done, all you need to do is open a DOS shell in the folder
>where the Debugger is installed, which at least under XP is
>
> C:\Program Files\Android\android-sdk\platform-tools
>
>Now you can use adb to check if your device is connected by typing
>
> adb devices
>
>The debugger will now list the attached devices. If yours is found, you will
>see a long number, follwed by the text " device". Chances are good that your
>device wouldn't be found before you install a Windows USB driver for it. But
>if you have ever connected the device successfully to a Windows application,
>the driver should be already installed.
>
>If this succeeds, you can now watch what your Android device deems worth
>reporting to the debugger. To do this, you use the logcat command.
>
>Since logcat has a tendency to become ever so slightly chatty, you are well
>advised to clear all output first by typing
>
> adb logcat -c
>
>Theoretically, you could now monitor the Android device's debug output in
>the console by typing
>
> adb logcat
>
>Due to the aforementioned chattiness, however, I wouldn't recommend to do
>this since debug output will scroll very fast into Nirwana. The DOS shell
>can only hold so many lines, and it doesn't allow you to search. So you
>should better redirect the output to a file by typing
>
> adb logcat >output.txt
>
>>From then on you will not see any output in the console. This doesn't matter
>since output will end up in the text file.
>
>Now you should start Einstein and let it crash. Then type <control>c in your
>DOS shell to prevent further output to be written to the file. After that
>you can open the file in a text editor and search for "install", "Einstein"
>or some such. Or you simply send the file my way.
>
>Good luck
>
>Frank
>
>-- Newton software and hardware at http://www.pda-soft.de
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 21:27:14 +0100
>From: Matthias Melcher <mm at matthiasm.com>
>Subject: Re: [NTLK] Einstein-Windows--any other potential users out
> there?
>To: newtontalk at newtontalk.net
>Message-ID: <01BEA5DA-FB81-4E66-97AC-C8AAC09FE1C0 at matthiasm.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>On 13.11.2013, at 20:00, Dan <dan at dbdigitalweb.com> wrote:
>
>> I am also not a developer, but would be willing to test and send bug
>> reports. I was wondering about the status of this and last I heard it
>> either ran really really really slow after 10 minutes of useage...
>
>That issue was fixed in 2009.
>
>> or just crashed on boot.
>
>This is often related to wrong ROMs, sometimes just providing the debug image which by itself is not a ROM. Granted, we really should do a checksum test before launch to avoid crashing.
>
>> I don't have a Mac so I can't say how well it works on that. I have
>> been thinking I could possibly run OS X under VirtualBox, probably would
>> be a lot of tricking to get it work then run Einstein on that. But then
>> we are talking two virtual machines, and another layer of complexity
>> would make it more difficult to track down issues so probably not worth
>> it.
>
>Don't!
>
>> But if anyone has done this, or knows of someone that has, by all
>> means let me know. :)
>
>Considering the time you would have to spend on this, it would be eaisier to buy a Mac ;-)
>
>But the Windows version should work. As I said, I can't verify that though.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 21:33:52 +0100
>From: "Frank Gruendel" <newtontalk at pda-soft.de>
>Subject: Re: [NTLK] Einstein crashing on boot attempt
>To: <newtontalk at newtontalk.net>
>Message-ID: <D40CBB8BD4B44F0981E7BEE6CD964969 at xpdesktop1>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Err...
>
>if I read your post correctly, which I should have done in the first place,
>I understand that you are trying to make Einstein run on a Surface Pro? To
>the best of my knowledge this thing runs Windows, so my Android debugging
>instructions aren't going to help you in the least.
>
>Sorry for wasting the bandwidth.
>
>Frank
>
>-- Newton software and hardware at http://www.pda-soft.de
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 22:00:26 +0100
>From: "Frank Gruendel" <newtontalk at pda-soft.de>
>Subject: Re: [NTLK] Einstein crashing on boot attempt
>To: <newtontalk at newtontalk.net>
>Message-ID: <B84B01C072F94B55911A6AAE490DCC8B at xpdesktop1>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Jon,
>
>I'm assuming that you installed Einstein on your Windows machine by
>downlading EinsteinPlatform2007.7.6-MSWindows.msi and installing it.
>
>Is this assumption correct? In case it is: Are you getting the Einstein
>Platform Settings window after starting Einstein from Windows? If you are:
>What are the settings, and what happens after you click on "Start"?
>
>Be aware that once you see the Einstein Platform Settings window, you must
>choose the ROM file by tapping the upper right-hand button. It is not
>sufficient to have the ROM file in the right folder. If you use the
>717006.rom file, the Machine setting should be MP2X00 US.
>
>Good luck
>
>Frank
>
>-- Newton software and hardware at http://www.pda-soft.de
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:18:36 -0500
>From: Tony Morrow <gizmo1482 at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [NTLK] Einstein-Windows--any other potential users out
> there?
>To: newtontalk at newtontalk.net
>Message-ID: <4683972A-8F87-4A74-A42F-A3628B49346A at gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>On Nov 13, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Matthias Melcher <mm at matthiasm.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 13.11.2013, at 20:00, Dan <dan at dbdigitalweb.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am also not a developer, but would be willing to test and send bug
>>> reports. I was wondering about the status of this and last I heard it
>>> either ran really really really slow after 10 minutes of useage...
>>
>> That issue was fixed in 2009.
>>
>>> or just crashed on boot.
>>
>> This is often related to wrong ROMs, sometimes just providing the debug image which by itself is not a ROM. Granted, we really should do a checksum test before launch to avoid crashing.
>>
>>> I don't have a Mac so I can't say how well it works on that. I have
>>> been thinking I could possibly run OS X under VirtualBox, probably would
>>> be a lot of tricking to get it work then run Einstein on that. But then
>>> we are talking two virtual machines, and another layer of complexity
>>> would make it more difficult to track down issues so probably not worth
>>> it.
>>
>> Don't!
>>
>>> But if anyone has done this, or knows of someone that has, by all
>>> means let me know. :)
>>
>> Considering the time you would have to spend on this, it would be eaisier to buy a Mac ;-)
>>
>> But the Windows version should work. As I said, I can't verify that though.
>
>I, too, and one of those users who would like to see Einstein running on Windows 8, but sadly lack the programming skills to make it possible. I use an Atom based Win8 tablet at work and think throwing the Newton interface would be fun.
>
>-Tony Morrow
>
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