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> In a message dated 08/14/2001 22:46:46, blindwolf_at_cfl.rr.com writes:
>
>> While I am no fan of Ferdi (had a very *thinks* questionable auction with
>> him over stylii) I have to say that his promotion is very inventive. Not
>> out of line at all. He tells people the truth in the auction - that he
>> is selling information only... and of course simultaneously picks up the
>> address of a potential customer (esp once they realise what a trick it
>> is to do the job themselves). ... like when you fill out an online offer for
>> some freebie (they often charge s/h) and they get your info for it...
>> There is nothing out of line here.
>
> It's no different from charging a whole bunch of badly injured men individual
> fees to call ambulances for each of them. Is this legal? Sure. Does it
> make you a slimey scumbag? Indubitably.
While my newton's are better than children while I call out everytime I flip
that cover "Let me check my brain before committing on that" etc etc etc...
your metaphor does not reach me... i seriously doubt it even gets noticed by
men like Ozguner... if you think he should stop (and you are serious) then
come up with a genuine argument that has some substance.
> David Humpreys has shared his knowledge with us for free and I, for one, am
> grateful for this. It is behaviour like what you are supporting that causes
> the David Humpreys of the world to clam up and keep their knowledge to
> themselves so that opportunistic bastards can't profit from it. If Humphreys
> had not revealed his email exchange with Ferdi Ozguner to us in this forum,
> it would've taken one of us paying $3.00 (or more--remember that this is an
> auction) to have discovered where Ozguner got his information from.
YE GODS! Not only am I not supporting it, but I think an email to Ozguner
might be in order before all this hatefulness... maybe several emails...
Next time I talk to the old fogies from PARC I will remind them they should
have kept their mouths shut so Apple could't benefit... etc etc etc...
> since it's an auction, only one person would get the information, so the
> auction could begin anew.
Dutch auction, 30 units. He pays shipping. Do you really think that 30
people will bid on the auction??? even then, perhaps you should extend the
man a little curteousy (perhaps its a woman?) and allow that even should
enough people bid to drive the lowest bid over $3.00 that he might just
charge $3.00 anyways? Had that very thing happen to me in a similar
situation once (differnt auction house)
>(and it DEFINITELY is his intellectual property no matter
> which way you look at it--it's just up to Humpreys if he wants to collect,
> that's all).
I am very sorry I am too busy to do some legal research here... but I can
assure you that Mr. Humphrey's would have no standing here. The fact that
he did the REAL work and then published it gives him almost NO protection.
So in the only way that matters if Mr. Humphrey's want's to collect, you are
wildly mistaken.
> I have never used Humpreys' information because my Newton 2100s
> are still hale and hearty but I am glad that his information is out there
> when their backlights start to go on me. Needless to say, I would never ask
> an unethical person to do ANY work (not just Newton-related) for me--God
> knows what corners he might cut in the pursuit of profit at my expense!!!
What is your background in ethics? I find this ignorant hatefulness for Mr.
Ozguner to be most amazing. Only Mr. Humphrey's comments have been
compelling in any way.
I'm really enjoying this conversation, but please let me know if it crosses
the threshhold of relevance for the list... I'm not sure what place a
thread on ethics et al has here.
Best Regards to all,
b|indwo|f
Now, are you going to do as I say and become a fine person?
-from the cache (WIN A "new" 2Mb 5V/12V Apple Linear Flash card! Shipped at
my expense to the first person to email me OFF LIST with the reference to
this one... this must include the person speaking the line, the individual
being spoken to and the title of the work. If you include your general
thoughts on what it means, you will also "win" my appreciation :)
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