Re: [NTLK] newtontalk Digest V2 #590

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newtontalk Digest Thu, 22 Aug 2002 Volume: 02 Issue: 590

In This Issue:
                [NTLK] manual
                Re: [NTLK] Data From Dead Newton
                Re: [NTLK] manual
                [NTLK] Mac OS X Connection
                [NTLK] DEFYING GRAVITY
                Re: [NTLK] DEFYING GRAVITY
                [NTLK] Extra case for 2100..
                Re: [NTLK] Newton Press error
                Re: [NTLK] Help - German NotePhone in America
                Re: [NTLK] DEFYING GRAVITY
                Re: [NTLK] Newton Press error
                [NTLK] Ethernet Pr.
                Re: [NTLK] Mac OS X Connection
                Re: [NTLK] Ethernet Pr.

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From: "Justin Mericle" <jpmericle_at_attbi.com>
Subject: [NTLK] manual
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:37:48 -0700

Where can I get a manual on how to use the Newton 2100??

Thanks

Justin

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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:32:39 -0700
From: Jill Barrett <jill_at_vapidthumbtack.com>
Subject: Re: [NTLK] Data From Dead Newton

Thanks to everyone from the list for suggestions on how to get my dead
newton to
dump all the data.

Luckily, the Data Rescue package worked like a charm, so I was able
(eventually)
to get a backup of the data. However, it wouldn't backup the system
information,
so I had to do a incremental backup rather than a full raw backup. However,
the
data that it restored onto the the (new) Newton is full and complete as far
as I
can tell.

Thanks so much for all your help.

 - jill

jill s. barrett - jill_at_vapidthumbtack.com
http://www.vapidthumbtack.com/
veni vidi aspersi nymphae palveram

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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:52:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Victor Rehorst <victor_at_newtontalk.net>
Subject: Re: [NTLK] manual

On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Justin Mericle wrote:

>
> Where can I get a manual on how to use the Newton 2100??

All the 2000/2100 documentation is here:

http://newyork.unna.org/unna/apple/documentation/2x00/

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Subject: Re: [NTLK] PDA Direct Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:27:15 -0600 From: Grant [Next Best] Hutchinson <grant_at_splorp.com>

In a previous message, Humphreys, David typed vigorously:

>Does anyone know an actual person who worked there?

From the Whois database for pdadirect.com - the fax number is the same as in a previous message, but the phone number is different and there is this email address.

Johnson, Robert (RJ259) johnson.robert_at_internetvelocity.com PDA Direct, Inc. 2036 West 81st Ave Merrillville, IN 46410 219-650-4351 (FAX) 219-795-9260

Worth another shot?

g.

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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:16:43 -0400 From: Andrew Patrikalakis <anrp_at_irulethe.net> Subject: [NTLK] Mac OS X Connection

Hello,

The package installer I wrote was recently brought up again on this list. As I stated before, I have written a fully functional Newton Streamed Binary Object decoder before, but I was unable to use it due to some legal issues surrounding the authentication with the Newton. Now, I recall seeing somewhere on the web, a screenshot of a program that had connected successfully with the Newton.

Could this person please contact me so we can discuss this issue; basically, *any* Mac OS X NCU application cannot go anywhere (i.e. will not be able to connect with the Newton). I believe that it is only a minor issue; and the fact remains that Apple has already abandoned the Newton platform (although I wait for more elements of Newton Intelligence to appear in Mac OS X).

The addresses were: http://anrp.irulethe.net/newton/ - The package installer http://anrp.irulethe.net/newt/ - The libraries (Newton Binary Object Decoder and Newton Connection Library) Both are GPL libraries.

Thanks, Andrew Patrikalakis

(PS: Is it true that versions 1.0 and 1.1 of the iPod software had Breakout built in?)

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From: Siegelrj_at_aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:22:54 EDT Subject: [NTLK] DEFYING GRAVITY

Hi all--

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the book Defying Gravity? There are several on ebay but they are part of Newton MP packages and I already have an MP 2100.

Thanks Rene

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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:31:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [NTLK] DEFYING GRAVITY From: Laurent Daudelin <laurent.daudelin_at_verizon.net>

on 23/08/02 00:22, Siegelrj_at_aol.com at Siegelrj_at_aol.com wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the book Defying Gravity? There > are several on ebay but they are part of Newton MP packages and I already > have an MP 2100.

I think that up until recently, you could still buy it direct from the publisher. If you do a search in the NewtonTalk archive, you might be able to find an older message with all needed information.

-Laurent. -- ============================================================================ Laurent Daudelin <http://nemesys.dyndns.org> Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:laurent.daudelin_at_verizon.net

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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:37:57 -0400 From: Alex Nonnemacher <nonjo_at_comcast.net> Subject: Re: [NTLK] DEFYING GRAVITY

Try Powells.com...I got a copy there for nine bucks...new!

alex nonnemacher

nonjo_at_comcast.net nonjo_at_mac.com

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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:37:59 +0200 Subject: Re: [NTLK] Mac OS X Connection From: Ron Schemen <newton_at_schemen.net>

Yep, breakout was an easter egg.

You had to go to the ' legal info' keep the select button pressed and then it would show up. Plays very wel with the scroll wheel.

I play it all the time when commuting by train.

Ron

On vrijdag, augustus 23, 2002, at 06:16 , Andrew Patrikalakis wrote: > (PS: Is it true that versions 1.0 and 1.1 of the iPod software > had Breakout built in?) > > > -- > Read the List FAQ/Etiquette: http://www.newtontalk.net/faq.html > Read the Newton FAQ: http://www.chuma.org/newton/faq/ > This is the NewtonTalk mailing list - http://www.newtontalk.net/ >

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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:40:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. E. Simons" <newtlink_at_yahoo.com> Subject: [NTLK] Extra case for 2100..

does anyone have an extra casing for a 2100??

my 2100U's case cracked at the lid lock.. the retainer tab, right under the lid release, broke away, and there is a chunk of plastic missing.. this causes my lid to just flip open at will..

i'd really like to get a empty shell from a 2100 for it.. if anyone has one..

i remember that there was an auction on eBay about a few months ago, and there were a bunch of "dead" newton 2K/2100's for sale.. if i could buy one of those, to reconstruct my Newton, it would be great..

thanks all..

jim..

"imagine the disincentive to software development if after months of work another company could come along and copy your work and market it under it's own name...without legal restraints to such copying, companies like Apple could not afford to advance the state of the art"

-Bill Gates, 1983 (New York Times, 25 Sep 1983, p. F2)

----------------- i hate microsoft.

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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:47:57 -0400 From: Alex <admeddemda_at_f-m.fm> Subject: Re: [NTLK] Newton Press error

At 9:20 PM -0400 22/08/02, newtontalk_at_newtontalk.net wrote: > > I got several error messages with NP too and under German MacOS 7.5.3 and > > I'm quite shure that the move to 7.5.5 was a big improvement to several > >How? Is there a upgrade for 7.5.3? I didn't see one on Apple's FTP. > > > > problems with 7.5.3. Nowadays I use only MacOS9.1 and got meanwhile rid of > > all the old 68xxx based machines and can't tell much. However, I remember > >I just got a Quadra, which seems enough for my needs.

7.5.5 is a free update, but keep in mind most of its 'improvements' are for powermacs only, if ever I run a 68k machine on 7.5x I always use 7.5.3

Your quadra will run OS 8.1 if you like also.... depending on which model of quadra (obviously not the slow 610), it is a speedy and reliable OS.

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From: "Johannes Wolf" <mp2100_at_mail-gw.estec.esa.nl> Subject: Re: [NTLK] Help - German NotePhone in America Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:16:31 +0200

Most probably the reason is the different pinout standard for the western (RJ10 or 4P4C) connectors in US and Germany.

If you look at the connector, pins looking up, the pins are counted from left to right 4 3 2 1.

german pinout standard is: 4=b2 3=Lb 2=La 1=a2 (you need b2 and a2) US pinout standard is: 4=Lb 3=b2 2=a2 1=La

you can easily see that the german standard uses the outer connector pins while the US standard uses the inner pins - perfect mismatch.

Instead of dealing with another adaptor I would rather prepare the cable to get the right connections, that means to cross the inner wires with the outer ones. (should be easy since the wires usually have different colors) You need a new western connector and an appropriate tool to crimp the cable. Maybe you can find somebody to lend you such a tool

Good luck!

Johannes

> [mailto:newtontalk-bounce_at_newtontalk.net]On Behalf Of Ronald Uphoff > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:46 PM > Subject: [NTLK] Help - German NotePhone in America

> I have a German NotePhone I won on eBay (thanks again Ralf). I have a > converter for the AC so I can plug it into the wall socket. The Newton > powers-up when I press the "Newton" button on the phone panel. > But I get no > dial tone from the phone. I an using a standard (American) phone > cord. Do I > need an adapter for the for the phone cord as well? Is there > anyone who has > or is using a German phone or NotePhone in the U.S. who can advise me?

> Thanks > Ron Uphoff

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From: Siegelrj_at_aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:38:30 EDT Subject: Re: [NTLK] DEFYING GRAVITY

<PRE>Thank you.

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Subject: Re: [NTLK] Looking to contact Brian Carstensen Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:16:34 -0600 From: Grant [Next Best] Hutchinson <grant_at_splorp.com>

In a previous message, Brian Carstensen typed vigorously:

>Anyway. AOL decided it'd be fun to finish deleting my account (It's >been dead for a while, but email still worked up until a few days ago), >so I made this one instead. Very sorry for the trouble.

No problem whatsoever. I'm just glad I was able to find you after all. I have sent your Newted Community account information to your new address in a separate message.

Welcome to the list!

Grant

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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:30:07 +0200 From: Jochen =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4fer?= <js.josch_at_gmx.de> Subject: Re: [NTLK] Newton Press error

Alex wrote:

> At 9:20 PM -0400 22/08/02, newtontalk_at_newtontalk.net wrote: > ....

> > Your quadra will run OS 8.1 if you like also.... depending on which > model of quadra (obviously not the slow 610), it is a speedy and > reliable OS.

To have or not to have, that is question. With apologies to Shakespeare ;-)

Jochen

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From: L vRooy <ara_at_dwaf.pwv.gov.za> Subject: [NTLK] Ethernet Pr. Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:27:50 +0200

Listers I give up. I tried all the FAQ.s/How To.s - Newton Ethernet Explained/Ethernet Information- (and more) I can lay my hands on to get my MP2k to talk to my PB5300, to no avail. I used to get a chooser error, but now I only get a 'Looking for Mac OS computers' message until time-out. A similar Q was asked about a year ago, but the ans. is meaningless, to me at least. If someone is already awake (most Europeans should be?), plse. respond directly to my e-address above <ara_at_dwaf.pwv.gov.za>. I'm really desperate. Have been trying for days now. One Q: do I need the internet set-up? One how-to suggest this. I tried both the auto & manual settings with no success. I have no reason to doubt the 3c589d Etherlink III card, neither the x-over cable not to work. My GV Pt Pro card on the PB is also OK (used it to send this email). thanks for any HELP

Les vRooy <lvrooy_at_iafrica.com>

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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:27:52 -0400 From: Alex Nonnemacher <nonjo_at_comcast.net> Subject: Re: [NTLK] Mac OS X Connection

Breakout still exists on the 1.2 software release, under Extras>Game.

> Yep, breakout was an easter egg. > > You had to go to the ' legal info' keep the select button pressed and > then it would show up. > Plays very wel with the scroll wheel.

alex nonnemacher

nonjo_at_comcast.net nonjo_at_mac.com

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From: "Johannes Wolf" <mp2100_at_mail-gw.estec.esa.nl> Subject: Re: [NTLK] Ethernet Pr. Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:43:55 +0200

No no, no reason to give up. It is proven that the 3c589d works with the Newt. At least for me :-))

I try to give you a check list: 1) are the right extensions installed? I use FarallonEthernet.pkg -> Farallon Enet on the Newt 3ComAddon.pkg -> z3Comdrv:clli on the Newt 2) in setup/prefs/AppleTalk you should have set "connect using Ethertalk" and the card selection should show your 3c589d card 3) dumb but important: in order to "see" your Mac in the dock application you need to have NCU UP AND RUNNING and configured for Ethernet 4) there is a nice application which you can use to check if the Newton Ethernet connection works: Netnames (you can find it on Unna) with this tool you can ping known machines and watch the reply 5) But I think for that application you need to have NIE and its Ethernet module installed and have a proper setup with IP address, netmask and so on. 6) this is on the MAC side: in order to get NCU functioning you need some extensions that come with NCU: namely the Appletalk ADSP module. Do not activate the AppleScript extensions that come with NCU on newer OS versions 8.6 and newer. 7) hardware: how do you connect your Newt to your Mac? - direct or via Hub or via local network/switch) direct connection needs a special cable (Rx and Tx lines crossed)

Thats so far what I remind on that topic.

HTH Johannes

> [mailto:newtontalk-bounce_at_newtontalk.net]On Behalf Of L vRooy > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 1:28 PM > To: newtontalk_at_newtontalk.net

> Listers > I give up. I tried all the FAQ.s/How To.s - Newton Ethernet > Explained/Ethernet Information- (and more) I can lay my hands on > to get my MP2k to talk to my PB5300, to no avail. > I used to get a chooser error, but now I only get a 'Looking for > Mac OS computers' message until time-out. > A similar Q was asked about a year ago, but the ans. is > meaningless, to me at least. > If someone is already awake (most Europeans should be?), plse. > respond directly to my e-address above <ara_at_dwaf.pwv.gov.za>. I'm > really desperate. Have been trying for days now. > One Q: do I need the internet set-up? One how-to suggest this. I > tried both the auto & manual settings with no success. > I have no reason to doubt the 3c589d Etherlink III card, neither > the x-over cable not to work. My GV Pt Pro card on the PB is also > OK (used it to send this email). > thanks for any HELP

> Les vRooy > <lvrooy_at_iafrica.com>

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