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newtontalk Digest Sun, 24 Aug 2003 Volume: 03 Issue: 449
In This Issue:
[NTLK] What is this item?
Re: [NTLK] What is this item?
Re: [NTLK] NewtSync Modem
Re: [NTLK] NewtSync Modem
[NTLK] Problem with 3Com Ethernet Card
Re: [NTLK] Problem with 3Com Ethernet Card
Re: [NTLK] Problem with 3Com Ethernet Card
Re: [NTLK] Problem with 3Com Ethernet Card
Re: [NTLK] Problem with 3Com Ethernet Card
[NTLK] eMate Articles from 1997
Re: [NTLK] Problem with 3Com Ethernet Card
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:10:50 +0100
Subject: Re: [NTLK] newtontalk Digest V3 #448
From: Simon Cavill <simon.cavill_at_btinternet.com>
I worked on some Newton based market survey systems for Malboro /
Rothmans cigarettes some time ago using Cadenza from Commontime. I
know that others in the UK did the same also using Cadenza, perhaps
it's one of those?
Simon
> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:57:02 -0400
> Subject: Re: [NTLK] Funny Newton
> From: Chris Ruprecht <chris_at_ruprecht.org>
>
> Did we ever come to any conclusion on this?
>
> On Friday, Aug 15, 2003, at 12:07 US/Eastern, Raymond J Edwards b
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I was in My local Hight street today (London area) and I got survey
>> by=3D20=3D
>
>> some
>> women, she was using a brand neew newton like device, I had a =
Quick=3D20
>> look at
>> it and sure enough it was Newtton OS, anyone know anything about =
this?
> --
> Chris Ruprecht
> Network Grunt and Bit Pusher extraordina=3DEDre
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 07:52:50 -0400
Subject: [NTLK] Color Classic and the Newt
From: "Robert JA Basilio Jr." <boojie_at_philmug.org>
on 8/24/03 5:03, newtontalk_at_newtontalk.net at newtontalk_at_newtontalk.net
wrote:
> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:47:35 -0500
> Subject: Re: [NTLK] Color Classic and the Newt
> From: Cheyanne & Randy <bayoubuddies_at_sbcglobal.net>
> Hi Robert,
> =3D20
> Your Classic should work fine... NCU might want more RAM. When I
> checked "get info" on my copy of NCU the minimum memory requirement is
> 4MB. I don't think that OS7.6.1 uses that much RAM. If you have a =
32MB
> memory card NCU will not manage to back it up on your Classic. :-) If
> it were me, I would make sure that NCU is all I have running when I
> hooked up the newton.
Thank you Randy. It's a relief to hear that. And don't worry, I just=20
have a
couple of 2 MB linear cards filled with names and addresses. I'm=20
actually
more concerned with transferring files from NewtWorks rather than=20
backing i=3D
t
up. Like you, I used a PowerBook Duo =3D8B except that mine's a 280c =3D8B=
=20
to
transfer data from the Newt and my eMate. But I left it with my nephews=20=
to
play with in Manila. Thanks again.
Robert=3D20
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:18:21 -0500
Subject: [NTLK] Newton QTVR
From: Brandon Meyer <tranceguy_at_mchsi.com>
Anyone have a QTVR of a Newton 2x00? I saw one on a web page the other
day, but I can't find it again. Thanks!
Brandon
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:18:17 +0200
From: Michael Sciascia <msciascia_at_poc.it>
Subject: [NTLK] What is this item?
Hi all,
looking around in eBay I found this strange item =C3=A2=E2=80=A2=CB=9BMoto=
rola Marco PDA
(Apple Newton?) and Manual=C3=A2=E2=80=A2=CB=87
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3042950907
ssPageName=3DADME:B:SS:IT:1>
Does anyone know it?
Bye,
Michael
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:52:33 -0500
Subject: Re: [NTLK] What is this item?
From: Cheyanne & Randy <bayoubuddies_at_sbcglobal.net>
On Sunday, Aug 24, 2003, at 09:18 US/Central, Michael Sciascia wrote:
> Hi all,
> looking around in eBay I found this strange item =3D93Motorola Marco =
PDA
> (Apple Newton?) and Manual=3D94
> Does anyone know it?
Michael,
It's in the FAQ. Imagine that. :-)
http://www.thisoldnewt.net/html/FAQ/newton-faq-hardware.html#IIA1a
cheers,
Randy Gore
--
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a world of good. Cleanse our city's air, reinvigorate the
blood, tone up the muscles, strengthen the heart, burn up that
surplus fat, stave off arteriosclerosis, cut down on bypass
operations, eliminate transplants, lower the cholesterol count,
prolong lives. Yes and reduce oil consumption, slow down the
waste of steel and rubber and copper and glass, free human labor
and engineering skills for important work -- anything bad for
the auto industry and bad for the oil industry is bound to be
good for America, good for human beings, good for the land.
-- Edward Abbey
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:53:36 -0500
Subject: [NTLK] NewtSync Modem
From: Brandon Meyer <tranceguy_at_mchsi.com>
I'll be getting my 2100 tomorrow and I've got a question about
transferring packages to it. Actually I'm only concerned about
transferring one package. The ethernet driver. I don't have a dongle
for it yet so I'm wondering how I can get the driver on the newt. I
noticed there is a 'modem' option in NewtSync. Would this allow me to
stick a modem in the newt, connect my laptop and the newt via phone
cable and transfer a package that way? Has anyone had experience doing
it this way?
Brandon
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:59:59 -0500
Subject: [NTLK] One last thing...
From: Brandon Meyer <tranceguy_at_mchsi.com>
OK, worst case scenario I have to connect to the internet and download
the driver from the net. Is it possible to download the .pkg file
directly to the newt via Net Hopper and then install it? Or do .pkg
files need to be installed from another computer? Thanks!
Brandon
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:03:08 +0200
From: Michael Sciascia <msciascia_at_poc.it>
Subject: Re: [NTLK] What is this item?
On 24.08.2003 16:52 Cheyanne & Randy wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> It's in the FAQ. Imagine that. :-)
I forgot about clones!
I should have cjecked the faq first :-)
Sorry!
Michael
--=20
My Titanium has been up 2:14, 1 user
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:17:55 +0200
From: Paul Guyot <pguyot_at_kallisys.net>
Subject: Re: [NTLK] NewtSync Modem
Il me semble que le 24/08/03 =C3=A0 9:53 -0500, Brandon Meyer nous =
racontait:
> I'll be getting my 2100 tomorrow and I've got a question about
> transferring packages to it. Actually I'm only concerned about
> transferring one package. The ethernet driver. I don't have a dongle
> for it yet so I'm wondering how I can get the driver on the newt. I
> noticed there is a 'modem' option in NewtSync. Would this allow me to
> stick a modem in the newt, connect my laptop and the newt via phone
> cable and transfer a package that way? Has anyone had experience doing
> it this way?
Brandon,
You're facing the bootstrapping problem.
I don't think NewtSync allows one to install packages. But even if it
did, you'll need to get NewtSync client on your Newton first.
As you know, you need the Ethernet Driver to be on your Newton before
doing anything with your Ethernet card. This includes Newton Devices
(Lantern) and the driver specific for your card. These two packages
are required for AppleTalk. For TCP/IP, you need Newton Internet
Enabler and NIE Ethernet Module, plus Internet Setup to define a
setup to connect to the Internet/your network.
So either your MP will come with some packages (don't delete any), or
you have a Mac with an IrDA port. Since you don't have a dongle, it's
the only possibility to install packages on a freshly formatted
Newton (MP2K or eMate). You'll need Thomas Tempelman's DILTester
running on MacOS 9. Unfortunately, MacOS X doesn't come with an IrDA
stack complete enough to discuss with the Newton (from what I heard,
I don't have a Mac with an IrDA port). Also, we could get
Windows/Unix laptops to install packages via IrDA if someone with an
IrDA capable Windows/Unix laptop took the time to work on the problem.
If you have some packages as you mentioned in the second mail, there
might be some hope. If you have NetHopper, you can indeed install
packages from a webserver. Please note however that it requires that
the MIME type has a special value I don't recall of. You probably can
install packages with Newtscape as well. You can also get packages
from an e-mail you would check with your Newton.
But you need to connect to the Internet to use these methods. This
means you need sufficient packages on your Newton to connect to the
Internet and a modem card (I suppose you won't have the Ethernet
packages and since you don't have a dongle, an external modem is not
a possibility). You might need a script for your Modem, although I
believe some might work with the default scripts.
Please tell us what you have on your Newton and we might find a
workaround. I don't want to look pessimistic, but this bootstrapping
problem is real.
Another possibility is to be mailed a linear card with some packages
on it or meet someone with a Newton in your neighborhood that would
beam you packages. This person would probably need EEUnprotect to be
able to beam Newton Internet Enabler and other items that have the
protect flag set. Fortunately, the community is strong enough and
you'll probably find someone to help you in that very case. As far as
I'm concerned, I'd be happy to meet you and beam you the packages if
you're in Paris ;)
Anyway, I guess it's your first Newton (otherwise, you could beam
packages from another Newton). I wish you a happy Newton experience.
Paul
--=20
Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous.
NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/
Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:36:49 -0400
Subject: [NTLK] Custom made neoprene case
From: Gary Ritchie <gary_at_garyritchie.com>
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/calculatorsource/tp-mlap.html
made to your specs with shoulder or hand strap. i'll let you know if i
go for this or not.
http://www.garyritchie.com
------------------------------
From: "Dave Rutledge" <drutledge4445_at_rogers.com>
Subject: Re: [NTLK] NewtSync Modem
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:08:17 -0400
I'm not really following this discussion but noticed the question re
installing packages on Newton. "NewTen" is an OS X appl'n for=20
installing
such, and works great: http://stevenf.com/newten/
-----Original Message-----
From: newtontalk-bounce_at_newtontalk.net
[mailto:newtontalk-bounce_at_newtontalk.net]On Behalf Of Paul Guyot
Sent: 24 August 2003 12:18
To: newtontalk_at_newtontalk.net
Subject: Re: [NTLK] NewtSync Modem
Il me semble que le 24/08/03 =C3=A0 9:53 -0500, Brandon Meyer nous =
racontait:
> I'll be getting my 2100 tomorrow and I've got a question about
> transferring packages to it. Actually I'm only concerned about
> transferring one package. The ethernet driver. I don't have a dongle
> for it yet so I'm wondering how I can get the driver on the newt. I
> noticed there is a 'modem' option in NewtSync. Would this allow me to
> stick a modem in the newt, connect my laptop and the newt via phone
> cable and transfer a package that way? Has anyone had experience doing
> it this way?
Brandon,
You're facing the bootstrapping problem.
I don't think NewtSync allows one to install packages. But even if it
did, you'll need to get NewtSync client on your Newton first.
As you know, you need the Ethernet Driver to be on your Newton before
doing anything with your Ethernet card. This includes Newton Devices
(Lantern) and the driver specific for your card. These two packages
are required for AppleTalk. For TCP/IP, you need Newton Internet
Enabler and NIE Ethernet Module, plus Internet Setup to define a
setup to connect to the Internet/your network.
So either your MP will come with some packages (don't delete any), or
you have a Mac with an IrDA port. Since you don't have a dongle, it's
the only possibility to install packages on a freshly formatted
Newton (MP2K or eMate). You'll need Thomas Tempelman's DILTester
running on MacOS 9. Unfortunately, MacOS X doesn't come with an IrDA
stack complete enough to discuss with the Newton (from what I heard,
I don't have a Mac with an IrDA port). Also, we could get
Windows/Unix laptops to install packages via IrDA if someone with an
IrDA capable Windows/Unix laptop took the time to work on the problem.
If you have some packages as you mentioned in the second mail, there
might be some hope. If you have NetHopper, you can indeed install
packages from a webserver. Please note however that it requires that
the MIME type has a special value I don't recall of. You probably can
install packages with Newtscape as well. You can also get packages
from an e-mail you would check with your Newton.
But you need to connect to the Internet to use these methods. This
means you need sufficient packages on your Newton to connect to the
Internet and a modem card (I suppose you won't have the Ethernet
packages and since you don't have a dongle, an external modem is not
a possibility). You might need a script for your Modem, although I
believe some might work with the default scripts.
Please tell us what you have on your Newton and we might find a
workaround. I don't want to look pessimistic, but this bootstrapping
problem is real.
Another possibility is to be mailed a linear card with some packages
on it or meet someone with a Newton in your neighborhood that would
beam you packages. This person would probably need EEUnprotect to be
able to beam Newton Internet Enabler and other items that have the
protect flag set. Fortunately, the community is strong enough and
you'll probably find someone to help you in that very case. As far as
I'm concerned, I'd be happy to meet you and beam you the packages if
you're in Paris ;)
Anyway, I guess it's your first Newton (otherwise, you could beam
packages from another Newton). I wish you a happy Newton experience.
Paul
--
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------------------------------
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:47:55 +0200
Subject: Re: [NTLK] One last thing...
From: Robert Benschop <rbenschop_at_euronet.nl>
Brandon Meyer wrote:
> OK, worst case scenario I have to connect to the internet and download
> the driver from the net. Is it possible to download the .pkg file
> directly to the newt via Net Hopper and then install it?
Depends if the server is configured o.k.
Robert Benschop
------------------------------
From: "Smith Family" <smithrus_at_hutchtel.net>
Subject: [NTLK] Problem with 3Com Ethernet Card
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:50:16 -0500
I have a 3Com 3CXE589DT Ethernet card. I went to chuma.org, downloaded=20=
the
packages, installed them, etc. and got the card set up on my Newt. The
problem is, whenever I insert the card, a green light goes on at the=20
end by
the X-Jack, stays on for maybe 5 seconds or so, then goes off. When I=20
had
this connected to my hub, the Link Integrity light for that port was=20
only on
during that time. Am I doing something wrong? I will post pictures of=20
the
card if needed.
Colin
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:54:10 +0200
From: Paul Guyot <pguyot_at_kallisys.net>
Subject: Re: [NTLK] Problem with 3Com Ethernet Card
Il me semble que le 24/08/03 =C3=A0 14:50 -0500, Smith Family nous =
racontait:
> I have a 3Com 3CXE589DT Ethernet card. I went to chuma.org, downloaded=20=
> the
> packages, installed them, etc. and got the card set up on my Newt. The
> problem is, whenever I insert the card, a green light goes on at the=20=
> end by
> the X-Jack, stays on for maybe 5 seconds or so, then goes off. When I=20=
> had
> this connected to my hub, the Link Integrity light for that port was=20=
> only on
> during that time. Am I doing something wrong? I will post pictures of=20=
> the
> card if needed.
I don't have a 3Com card, but I don't think you're doing anything
wrong. When you insert the card, the Newton powers it on to know
about it. Then the card handler (Lantern, aka Newton Devices) tells
the system it no longer needs to access the card and finally the
system powers it down after a timeout (which is probably around 5
seconds).
Whenever you'll need the card (i.e. to connect to a network), it will
be powered on and the light will come back.
Paul
--=20
Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous.
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------------------------------
From: MJJ14_at_aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:57:23 EDT
Subject: Re: [NTLK] Problem with 3Com Ethernet Card
You know, I have the SAME card and have the SAME problem, and it is so
baffling because I followed all the directions to a T and took the=20
advice of many
people on the list in the past. I have no idea what is wrong with it,=20=
but I am
considering reselling mine on eBay and getting a different one, Xjack=20
or not.
------------------------------
From: "Smith Family" <smithrus_at_hutchtel.net>
Subject: Re: [NTLK] Problem with 3Com Ethernet Card
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:05:07 -0500
Thanks for your reply, Paul. I think I have another card of the same=20
model
lying around; I will try that to see if it fares differently.
The only other card I have at the moment is a 3C589B, and since that
apparently isn't supported I may have to look on eBay also, or beg one=20=
off
my friend who uses an eMate.
Colin
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:10:52 -0400
From: James Elliott <james.elliott_at_newted.org>
Subject: Re: [NTLK] Problem with 3Com Ethernet Card
I've a 3Com, and it works just as Paul says.
-James
> Thanks for your reply, Paul. I think I have another card of the same=20=
> model
> lying around; I will try that to see if it fares differently.
>
> The only other card I have at the moment is a 3C589B, and since that
> apparently isn't supported I may have to look on eBay also, or beg one=20=
> off
> my friend who uses an eMate.
>
> Colin
------------------------------
From: MJJ14_at_aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:22:35 EDT
Subject: [NTLK] eMate Articles from 1997
Hey guys check out these images I scanned of one of my old MacHome=20
Journals.
The cover shows the eMate with black and white keys and the article=20
mentions
Newton OS 3.0 LOL!
ftp://members.aol.com/mjj14/BlackandWhiteeMateKeys.JPG
ftp://members.aol.com/mjj14/eMateOSerror.JPG
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:26:49 -0500
Subject: Re: [NTLK] Problem with 3Com Ethernet Card
From: Woody Smith <woody_at_bitstream.net>
Hi Colin
I am using the 3Com 3CXE589ET. When I insert it into the Newt the
light flashes for only about half a second and and a window on the Newt
opens and identifies the card as Megahertz 589E.
If nothing shows up as did with mine until I installed the extension
3C589 and z3ComDrv:clli
Do you have extensions like these installed?
I seem to recall that you live in Minnesota. Que computers on East
Hennepin in Minneapolis has the 3Com 3CXE589ET for about $10 if you
get into the cities.
Woody
On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 03:05 PM, Smith Family wrote:
> Thanks for your reply, Paul. I think I have another card of the same
> model
> lying around; I will try that to see if it fares differently.
>
> The only other card I have at the moment is a 3C589B, and since that
> apparently isn't supported I may have to look on eBay also, or beg one
> off
> my friend who uses an eMate.
>
> Colin
>
------------------------------
From: "Smith Family" <smithrus_at_hutchtel.net>
Subject: Re: [NTLK] Problem with 3Com Ethernet Card
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:27:57 -0500
I found my spare card of the same model and it gives me the same=20
problem.
Here is a list of all the packages I installed, in case I missed=20
something.
inetenbl.pkg
newtdev.pkg
enetsup.pkg
loctsup.pkg
inetstup.pkg
FarallonEthernet.pkg
3comaddon.pkg
3c589.pkg
I believe I have Prefs, Owner Info, and Dock configured correctly.
Colin
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:38:22 +0200
Subject: Re: [NTLK] eMate Articles from 1997
From: Robert Benschop <rbenschop_at_euronet.nl>
MJJ14_at_aol.com wrote:
> Hey guys check out these images I scanned of one of my old MacHome
> Journals.
> The cover shows the eMate with black and white keys and the article
> mentions
> Newton OS 3.0 LOL!
So OS 2.1 was the elusive OS 3.0?
I finally understand why I never saw anything beyond the 3.0 rumors, it
has been under our noses all this time, but in a renamed version...
Robert Benschop
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:56:44 +0200
Subject: Re: [NTLK] PCMCIA GPS sale
From: Roman Pixell <roman_at_pixell.net>
its a type II, 16 bit card, so there should be no reason for it not to
work, but youll never know until you have tried...
> Subject: Re: [NTLK] PCMCIA GPS sale
> From: Robert Benschop <rbenschop_at_euronet.nl>
> Mark Rollins wrote:
>> http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=3DGPS-
>> CFCMPK&sourceid=3D004004796686
>> 04447528
>
> So would this work in a Newt? (since it's CompactFlash...)
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NTLK] =46rom Woo; Bring CD Burner to next LANUG meeti.
From: Woo Lee <vitcitylb_at_earthlink.net>
Hey all!
Sorry for short notice but...
We have a special meeting this Thursday evening, at the AppleStore at
Glendale Galleria starting at 7:30 pm.
Anthony and Timothy will be offering eMate fixes for the washers. =20
Price to
be announced.
*If any video cables, dead screens, etc. from an eMate is to be=20
discarded,
PLEASE save any and all pieces, I will send these parts to Frank G. to
extend any and all eMates*
Please let me and/or Martina know if your eMate needs a spot on the=20
list.
I will not be able to attend due to my attending the SNUG Meeting up=20
north.
I hope thus to be another great meeting of 'Green concerns!'
> Subject: Bring CD Burner to next LANUG meeti.
> From: midgard_at_dragon.org
> Sent: 7:53 pm Sat 8/23/03
Hi Gents,
I have been digging up my old CD's for Newtons and fund stuff that may
be of interest to those present. Please notify your group to bring CD's
for burning and a burner if interested in copying software for the
Newton. Have original Apple CD's & AMUG Newton disks. I also have
original floppies for the Newton! I will bring those along for
duplication where software licenses permit.
Timothy
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Pres. of LA Newton Users Group!...over $teve's Live Body.
A NewtonAddict on MacAddictYr2003!
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