[NTLK] Navigating the web with the newton

[Forrest]

Good morning Mr Dudley:

While I can’t speak for Abraham, I myself have often wished to go into Newt’s Cape or NetHopper and surf the Internet with abandon.

I realize this is something original adopters of the Newton enjoyed freely and not us late joiners...but much like other interactions with it, the appearance of websites on its screen is magical and exciting.

I think the real problem Abraham is going to run into—and you touched upon it—is that few websites are properly coded. When I was learning HTML years ago we were taught that, although there were far easier ways to get the desired results, the only proper way was through correct and deliberate coding. I would imagine that even in the 90s there were sites the Newton objected to visiting due to incorrect or poorly applied HTML.

Even those that are formatted correctly likely pose their own problems.

That being said: again, I wish Abraham much luck in his work.

Mahalo,
Forrest

Sent from my T-Mobile iPhone 6S Plus

> On Dec 21, 2017, at 11:53 PM, B Dudney <kosmicdollop at saber.net> wrote:
> 
> Abraham, I’m not trying to pour cold water on your idea, but I’m concerned you may spend a lot of time before discovering Newt is beyond what you have in mind. Again, I’m no expert, but I have built several web sites, all hard-coded in html (because I never found a site generator I didn’t hate,* plus I didn’t need scripts). I thus became used to fiddling with html and not uncommonly dig into it when I’m trying to circumvent limitations (like pirating video or such).
> 
> Even Wikipedia which is pretty much bare bones html with virtually no scripts has lots of code behind the scenes, especially uses lots of html tables for layout (often lazy if not klutzy code).
> 
> At this point my main question is what sort of web pages are you interested in viewing on a Newton? It sounds like you may be wanting to just strip out the text so you can work with just that on fabulous Newtie.. perhaps with a few simple images?
> 
> B
> *all have limitations, restrict what one can do with html
> 
>> On 21 Dec 2017, at 17:22, Abraham Limpo wrote:
>> 
>> My plan to get the newton read https pages consists on adapting this
>> project https://github.com/tghw/macproxy and strip any modern convenience
>> that newton browsers don't need.
>> 
>> The plan is make the zero do the grunt work while leaving the newton only
>> the task of rendering the final product.
>> 
>> Unfortunately this is a weekend-to-weekend project and with holydays
>> approaching I don't think I will be able to do anything soon (I still have
>> to solder about 10 atari punk synths that will be the stocking stuffers of
>> my nephews).
>> 
>> So probably there will be at least a month until I can post a significant
>> update. And I don't know if something like this will be useful only for me.
>> But I think having a pi as a sort of coprocessor to the newton may open new
>> avenues to keep our green machines useful in the connected world.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2017-12-16 23:59 GMT+01:00 Grant Hutchinson <grant at splorp.com>:
>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2017-12-14, at 6:03 PM, B Dudney wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I’m no expert, but I think our dear Newts have exceedingly too little RAM
>>>> to handle current web pages, not least full of endless scripts! Not to
>>> mention
>>>> all sorts of conventions adopted since its browsers were written.
>>> 
>>> Any properly coded web page *should* be viewable with JavaScript, plugins,
>>> CSS, or other enhancements turned off or blocked. Of course, this isn't
>>> always the case, but Newton web browsers are actually pretty good at
>>> ignoring all the cruft that they can't understand. If the content of a site
>>> can't be viewed without JavaScript, that speaks to the laziness of the the
>>> company and its developers.
>>> 
>>> As I mentioned previously, the real issue is not being able to access
>>> HTTPS pages at all.
>>> 
>>> g.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> http://newtontalk.net/
>>> http://twitter.com/newtontalk
>>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> http://newtontalk.net/
>> http://twitter.com/newtontalk
> 
> via cable from low-power MacBook lacking wireless devices,
> hence radiating no deadly EMR connectivity: see RadiateNot.Me
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> http://newtontalk.net/
> http://twitter.com/newtontalk