[NTLK] Everything we need.... we still have!!

[Forrest]

Sorry to be a sort of “crepe hanger” here...but the real problem that I see with browsing the Internet on the Newton (or, by association, Einstein) isn’t so much the secure issue—there are still websites that don’t require security that the Newton can access—but the graphics and memory limitations.

Granted, memory would not be an issue so much on a more modern device running Einstein, but unless I’m missing something here—if Einstein is a true clone of the Newton OS—then it would share those graphics limitations, correct?

If I'm out in left field here and am (as I said) missing something, please correct me.

Mahalo,
Forrest

Sent from my T-Mobile iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 1, 2019, at 4:57 PM, Martin Ossio via NewtonTalk <newtontalk at newtontalk.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Noah!
> 
> I have found now more about Paul Guyot and Matthias.
> 
> And Matthias latest release of Einstein with sound support! :)
> 
> https://github.com/pguyot/Einstein/releases/download/PreGithubReleases/Einstein-Android-2019-Mar-26.apk <https://github.com/pguyot/Einstein/releases/download/PreGithubReleases/Einstein-Android-2019-Mar-26.apk>
> 
> I really believe it would be great to support their continuing development for Newton.
> 
> I will try to contact him to see how can I collaborate.
> I have written to send a box of Limoncello Chocolates to Matthias in thanks, for his April 2019 Update!
> Its so nice to have sounds in Einstein Emulator!.
> 
> Their solutions are profound, structural, deep, permanent.
> It  is a great, great, great future for Newton!
> 
> It is incredible what Paul and Matthias have achieved.
> 
> I was to embark in my own, simplistic, shallow, just-to-get-things-done approach, to solve emailing.
> Then to solve all secure things, like web browsing and to export content to PDF.
> This was before, knowing there is a way more serious, useful solution on its way.
> 
> Thanks to Simon Bell generosity, he showed me the way to perform tests to email servers.
> 
> This new knowledge allowed me to find a current working combination of email servers that are compatible with Newton (and Eintein), that allows sending email and receiving them, albeit, with a non-ideal setup of 2 servers.
> 
> Not the best setups, but its my first way to get information In and Out of a Newton or Einstein.
> (NCU hangs on me… Maybe I do have a bad Soup file that is making trouble?)
> 
> While my hobby is to solve (apparently) imposible technological problems for others, while this first email solution do work, it is not the best, therefore I and pursing a better one:
> 
> Thanks to Simon’s suggestions, I found the feasibility of the next step:
> 
> The ability to use ANY email provider on Newton again !!  (Gmail, Yahoo, others with SSL), like a regular email App on iOS or Android (with SSL support).
> 
> I have found yesterday an Android programmer that does complex stuff. He estimates it will cost about $300 to $600 for the email solution part. I will meet him in a couple of week, after my return to Lima. (I’ll be in NY next week).
> 
> My plan is to finance it myself, and release it for free, open-source the final result, once it allows to send (and receive) secure emails with any account. It would require, for this first step, an Android smartphone to act as intermediary. If the Newton is running on Einstein in this Android, that application should reside inside the same machine, and do its job transparently in it.
> 
> Next thing, would be secure web browsing.
> 
> Fortunately, proxy is an option in Newton Web Browsers, and again, this Newton Companion App could act as a Proxy to deal with security, and send it to the Newton in the best way for the Newton.
> 
> I also hope to use the same app, to be able to send Notes with Texts and Drawing by email as PDFs.
> 
> But then again, if Paul and Mathias will be finishing soon, I would rather suggest devoting everyone’s-for-newton-future resources to help them finish what they has set to do.
> 
> My solution is not a deep, nor profound a solution. It just a transparent work-around-way. 
> 
> I will now stop commenting on it, because it distracts from the real important development, which is what Matthias and Paul Guyot are doing:  The immortality of our Newton via Virtualization! :)
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Apr 30, 2019, at 8:41 AM, Noah Leon <moosefuel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have just realized, that in the case of the Newton, we actually have even more: whatever we need to fix about everything!!!
>>> (It would be great to do things, while we still do have it all).
>> 
>> I think there was a lot of talk like this just before the iPhone came out. Einstein was getting pretty good, and Paul Guyot had the idea of “relativity” which would be to merge the Newton OS with the underlying host OS, Linux, Unix, or whatever, so that data could be shared. I still think this is a valid approach. 
>> 
>> Besides being sidelined by the iPhone for a bit, one of the challenges seems to be that we don’t have access to the Newton source, and even if we did, to use it on new hardware legally, you still need to have a legally procured MessagePad ROM (you have to own a 2.1 Newton). 
>> 
>> My question is this: If we were to legally get our hands on the Newton OS source code, all of it, could we complete this task started by Paul with “Relativity”? Newton OS would then run unbelievably fast, natively, on the ARM-based devices we all have, and we (not me, since I am not a coder) could write software to do secure browsing, email, etc. Is anyone here capable of writing these things and turning the Newton OS into an open source project if we were to finally get the source from Apple? I’m thinking of Matthias, but is there anyone else with the ability to do these things?
>> 
>> If so, it might be worth having one more push to get them to release the source, like I believe they did for the Lisa.
>> 
>> noah
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