Re: [NTLK] [OT] Football and nationalism

From: Joost van de Griek (
Date: Tue Jun 18 2002 - 03:52:42 EDT

On 2002-06-18 03:25, "Lou Forlini" <> wrote:

> Joost,
> Now how can you say that?

Easy. It's how I feel about these issues.

> I'm sure that there are plenty of folks on this list who have served their
> country in various ways, including military or governmental service. And by
> being a good citizens by voting and other participation in their local and
> national governments. Besides, what country would be worth anything without
> all of us "little guys" paying taxes? These all contribute to the success of
> a country.

When it comes to taxes, most people I run into are only proud of the clever
ways they have found to avoid paying them...

As for military service, fighting just for a country doesn't strike me a
something to be all that proud of.

> Of course, when nationalism becomes a reason to hate then a line has been
> crossed. But as a form of pride of accomplishment, I think it's a great
> thing. As for patriotism, without the patriotism of the founding fathers and
> many who followed we wouldn't even have a country here in the U.S.

Patriotism? So the will to have some form of self-government didn't have
anything to do with it?

If they were patriots, they would have opposed independence for the USA.
Because technically, they were Brits.


Joost van de Griek

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