[NTLK] Navigating the web with the newton

Dennis Swaney romad at mac.com
Fri Dec 22 12:45:43 EST 2017


You can blame Microsoft for sloppy html coding, Forrest. Their Internet
Exploder application forced web designers to design for its programming,
not for the WWW in general. Thus sloppy coding has become ingrained in web
design.

Sincerely,
Dennis B. Swaney

"I think, therefore I Mac"

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Forrest <newton_phoenix at mindspring.com>
wrote:

> Good morning Mr Dudley:
>
> While I can’t speak for Abraham, I myself have often wished to go into
> Newt’s Cape or NetHopper and surf the Internet with abandon.
>
> I realize this is something original adopters of the Newton enjoyed freely
> and not us late joiners...but much like other interactions with it, the
> appearance of websites on its screen is magical and exciting.
>
> I think the real problem Abraham is going to run into—and you touched upon
> it—is that few websites are properly coded. When I was learning HTML years
> ago we were taught that, although there were far easier ways to get the
> desired results, the only proper way was through correct and deliberate
> coding. I would imagine that even in the 90s there were sites the Newton
> objected to visiting due to incorrect or poorly applied HTML.
>
> Even those that are formatted correctly likely pose their own problems.
>
> That being said: again, I wish Abraham much luck in his work.
>
> Mahalo,
> Forrest
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile iPhone 6S Plus
>
> > On Dec 21, 2017, at 11:53 PM, B Dudney <kosmicdollop at saber.net> wrote:
> >
> > Abraham, I’m not trying to pour cold water on your idea, but I’m
> concerned you may spend a lot of time before discovering Newt is beyond
> what you have in mind. Again, I’m no expert, but I have built several web
> sites, all hard-coded in html (because I never found a site generator I
> didn’t hate,* plus I didn’t need scripts). I thus became used to fiddling
> with html and not uncommonly dig into it when I’m trying to circumvent
> limitations (like pirating video or such).
> >
> > Even Wikipedia which is pretty much bare bones html with virtually no
> scripts has lots of code behind the scenes, especially uses lots of html
> tables for layout (often lazy if not klutzy code).
> >
> > At this point my main question is what sort of web pages are you
> interested in viewing on a Newton? It sounds like you may be wanting to
> just strip out the text so you can work with just that on fabulous Newtie..
> perhaps with a few simple images?
> >
> > B
> > *all have limitations, restrict what one can do with html
> >
> >> On 21 Dec 2017, at 17:22, Abraham Limpo wrote:
> >>
> >> My plan to get the newton read https pages consists on adapting this
> >> project https://github.com/tghw/macproxy and strip any modern
> convenience
> >> that newton browsers don't need.
> >>
> >> The plan is make the zero do the grunt work while leaving the newton
> only
> >> the task of rendering the final product.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately this is a weekend-to-weekend project and with holydays
> >> approaching I don't think I will be able to do anything soon (I still
> have
> >> to solder about 10 atari punk synths that will be the stocking stuffers
> of
> >> my nephews).
> >>
> >> So probably there will be at least a month until I can post a
> significant
> >> update. And I don't know if something like this will be useful only for
> me.
> >> But I think having a pi as a sort of coprocessor to the newton may open
> new
> >> avenues to keep our green machines useful in the connected world.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2017-12-16 23:59 GMT+01:00 Grant Hutchinson <grant at splorp.com>:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> On 2017-12-14, at 6:03 PM, B Dudney wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I’m no expert, but I think our dear Newts have exceedingly too little
> RAM
> >>>> to handle current web pages, not least full of endless scripts! Not to
> >>> mention
> >>>> all sorts of conventions adopted since its browsers were written.
> >>>
> >>> Any properly coded web page *should* be viewable with JavaScript,
> plugins,
> >>> CSS, or other enhancements turned off or blocked. Of course, this isn't
> >>> always the case, but Newton web browsers are actually pretty good at
> >>> ignoring all the cruft that they can't understand. If the content of a
> site
> >>> can't be viewed without JavaScript, that speaks to the laziness of the
> the
> >>> company and its developers.
> >>>
> >>> As I mentioned previously, the real issue is not being able to access
> >>> HTTPS pages at all.
> >>>
> >>> g.
> >>>
> >>>
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