From: fu (fu_at_newted.com)
Date: Thu Dec 11 2003 - 14:46:04 PST
hello list
this is probably my first posting on the list. i am one of the "silent
members" simply because i ought to learn a few things about my newt before i
start posting opinions/questions.
however i do keep an eye on the list almost on a daily basis and i noticed
all this craze about mr fozguner's activities. i don't know him, i once
bought a styli pack from him (the very first day i got my mp2k, and i was
overexcited) at a price that now seems a bit higher than usual.
but what's going on now? i've been watching his auctions too and his prices
are way too ******
man you gotta slow down, david is right, after all this is a small and
select market or rather community, thanks to technical-inclined guys in this
list, so many not-so-technicaly-inclined guys like me are able to use and
appreciate an original product which was heading for a fall long ago.
and last but not least, this kind of tactic & ethics is getting boring, take
this list for example, when one's gonna spread the word everyone
listens...and this list is also the market for guys who are able to provide
their newton wizardry for the benefit of all of us...
play nice
ps: since i did my very first appearance i would like to personally thank
Victor Rehorst, Grant Hutchinson and Frank Gruendel for taking some time to
answer some of my questions via Newted Community MessageBoards, UNNA and
offlist.
fu_at_newted.com
:edgy-red+newton's green:
on 12/11/03 8:51 PM, Humphreys, David (URB) at david.humphreys_at_honeywell.com
wrote:
> Mr. Ozguner,
>
> I see you have another posting on eBay for your duplicate rip-off of my
> SER-001 board.
> I suspect that this is in direct response to my recent posting in Newtontalk.
>
> Any legal defense on my part would be too expensive for the small gain of
> seeing you kicked on your ass.
>
> But, there are more effective and less expensive ways of dealing with you.
>
> To wit:
>
> The market place we share is a small and select one. Credibility is key. You
> have shown yourself to be devoid of ethics,
> morals or credibility. The NewtonTalk community, for the most part, are quite
> aware of your shady and underground
> business tactics. The overwhelming majority will not buy or deal with you. So
> why bother?
>
> As I look at your eBay auctions, I see more and more of them looping round and
> round. Sales for you are sporadic to say
> the least. I see a lot more UK auctions listed. Could you be trying to sell to
> a market that doesn't know you as well as
> the US? There are members from the UK who would be only too happy to set their
> fellow Brits straight on that score.
>
> Just incase there are members who would give you more leeway than me, I would
> ask you to explain the following to
> everyone:
>
> You currently have two auctions going at the moment for re-celled battery
> packs.
>
> One uses 2300mAH batteries and costs $125 with buy it now.
>
> Another uses 2000mAH batteries and costs $75 with buy it now.
>
> A quick check of spot prices for batteries on the net reveals:
>
> 2300mAH ~$2/cell and 2000mAH ~$1.30/cell.
>
> That's around $8 for batteries. Now lets assume $30/hr for your time.(Please
> don't tell me it takes 3hrs. Anything over
> an hour is YOUR time).
> And add $2 for other materials.
>
> That's $40. Your cheapest refurb costs $75. $35 OVER.
>
> But it gets better...
>
> Somehow the mere action of fitting 2300mAH vs 2000mAH cells costs $50 MORE!
>
> What $50 value did you put in the $125 item?
>
> You cannot explain because there is no explanation besides wanting to make as
> much profit as you can.
>
> Are you Ferengi by any chance?
>
> PCBman
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