[NTLK] Newton USB Dongle
Sonny Hung
sonnyhung at gmail.com
Sun Feb 5 23:26:21 EST 2017
Hi Everyone,
Can I suggest someone check back into the archives.
I know there was another user on the list who had a decent stash of the NIC
connecters.
They were selling them back awhile but I didn't need any myself and of
course back then his price was a bit more than I wanted to pay per piece.
Does anyone recall the individual? They were selling other Newton stuff
back then. Hopefully this might help which ever direction this discussion
is headed towards. Still lurking around. HTH
God bless,
Sonny Hung
the Hung Family
On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 10:24 PM, Jeff Sheldon <jeffsheldon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Jake,
>
> Really cool about the wifi module. I'll look it over in more detail in the
> morning.
>
> In this post-wired world, it seems like network is ideal for syncs and
> package installs. Do we have a serial over TCP/IP solution yet? I think
> of socat under Linux as an example of a similar beast.
>
> USB-C seems like a good solution for power and data, but I haven't looked
> at the specs yet.
>
>
> -Jeff
>
> > On Feb 5, 2017, at 15:30, Jake Bordens <jake at allaboutjake.com> wrote:
> >
> > Jeff, the design is open for non-commercial use..
> http://retronewton.blogspot.com or https://github.com/jake-b/
> Newton-Internal-WiFi
> >
> > The board’s dimensions and fit are from trial and error, and probably
> not perfect, but they work for a wifi card.. You don’t need the internal
> screw because there aren’t any external mechanical stresses on the board.
> >
> > The module I chose because of its PPPD functionality, but an ESP8266 or
> ESP32 would probably work with a SLIP or PPPD stack (I’m not sure if
> something like that exists, or if it would need to be written).. An ESP
> module would be better because the ConnectOne module is under encryption
> export protection for some reason I don’t understand.
> >
> > I am not sure about USB-C either. You’d definitely need some
> device-side circuitry to negotiate and request the 12v power supply. I’m
> sure it’ll eventually be available in a commodity part.
> >
> > Given the two serial channels on the internal connector, would be
> possible to do a dual WiFi/USB card, for sure. I also know Matthias was
> working on something ESP8266 based too.
> >
> > Jake
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/5/17, 4:21 PM, "newtontalk-bounces at newtontalk.net on behalf of
> Jeff Sheldon" <newtontalk-bounces at newtontalk.net on behalf of
> jeffsheldon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Tony,
> >
> >
> > It’s probably pretty likely that a USB to RS422 mini-din8 doesn’t
> exist,
> > but it’s likely that two compatible ends can be sourced based on a
> quick
> > Amazon search. I’ll go ahead and build one just a as a
> proof-of-concept.
> > I’m happy to see many solutions for USB-to-RS232 FTDI (cut wire)
> cables out
> > there presenting a variety of options.
> >
> >
> > One issue I recall with the SER-001 was that people said it would
> cause
> > slight deformation to the case and even cracking because the PCB was
> thick
> > and pressed up against the case. I’m glad to see thinner PCBs readily
> > available from DIY shops like OSH Park.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jake,
> >
> >
> > I read about the WIFI board a while back, but memory escapes me—is
> that
> > your design? Very cool. the ESP chips are so amazingly dynamic and
> cheap
> > that I can easily see that being a good solution for a variety of
> needs.
> > USB-C is definitely forward-thinking…I don’t have anything that can
> talk to
> > it, but I think it’s worth pursuing for the long haul.
> >
> >
> > There was some talk on here last spring about using cheap, highly
> flexible,
> > chips to expand Newton functionality in various ways (from the
> internal
> > port) other than for just network or sync. Do you recall the width
> of the
> > PCB on your design and do you have some photos of the product
> online? Is
> > this a closed design?
> >
> >
> >
> > Dennis, thanks for that. Yes, “unscrupulous”. :-)
> >
> >
> > Does your SER-001 fit well or do you have that issue I was mentioning
> with
> > case fitment and pressure being applied by the thick PCB?
> >
> >
> >
> > David,
> >
> >
> > I’ve, too, have occasionally found the interconnect plug/sockets, but
> yes,
> > it’s amazingly difficult and they tend to no longer be available.
> I’ll
> > look into seeing if a new connector board can be made to sit on top
> of the
> > old pads and still use the existing case footprint. If I recall
> correctly,
> > I think even the original iPod/Pad/Phone connector had some
> compatible pins
> > for basic things which could be “corrected” as-needed with the minimal
> > circuitry.
> >
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> >
> > I haven’t checked on this in a while, but do we have a centralized
> wiki or
> > somesuch for active community projects and/or needs? It might be
> nice to
> > have a list of “must-haves” with people assigned to them (as
> interested or
> > testers if nothing more) and some documentation to go with those
> ideas. My
> > frustration since 1994 has been that many of the expansion solutions
> that
> > have turned up are closed and limited in availability. I’d love to
> have
> > some open projects which anyone can build and with a few alternatives
> for
> > parts should one supplier disappear. Might be nice to have a
> > compatibility database for PCMCIA and CF cards, a list of expansion
> units
> > and software projects along with the developer(s) behind it, etc.
> >
> >
> > Unrelated, I’m only now just finding this nice WIRED article
> featuring some
> > of our longstanding Newton heroes (and I tweeted a photo of that same
> case
> > a couple weeks ago):
> >
> >
> > https://www.wired.com/2013/08/the-newton-lives/
> >
> >
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> >> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 2:17 PM, David Arnold <davida at pobox.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Jeff,
> >>
> >> I’ve been trying (unsuccessfully, so far) to source the JAE interconnect
> >> plugs and do a small run of adaptors. I’ve got a MiniDIN8 prototype
> which
> >> works with the Interconnect dongle, but I was hoping to eliminate the
> need
> >> for the dongle.
> >>
> >> Given I’ve been unable to get the Interconnect plugs as surplus, I
> >> considered getting a batch made. But given there seems to be perhaps a
> >> market for about 50 such adaptors all up, the costs don’t work out.
> >>
> >> I’ve got 5 Interconnect plugs (plus an un-potted Interconnect adaptor)
> >> that Newton Inc sent me while they existed, but otherwise I guess a
> >> MiniDIN8 would be the next best thing?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> d
> >>
> >>> On 6 Feb 2017, at 05:14, Jeff Sheldon <jeffsheldon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I've had problems with the Prolific chipset in many applications. IMHO,
> >> it's a cheap product cloned the world over and the drivers aren't well
> >> maintained. FTDI is the way to go.
> >>>
> >>> Adriano is scrupulous. 11 years ago, he privately pushed me to provide
> >> details on adapters I was creating for the community to interface with
> iPod
> >> devices and a homebrew keyboard using the internal port. He even wanted
> me
> >> to store my progress on his personal storage space. When I resisted, he
> >> backed down and suggested I contact Daniel Padilla to help with the
> >> software side. After some back-and-forth, Daniel stopped responding. It
> >> seemed strange. Unexpectedly, Adriano and Daniel released new products
> >> based on the idea, though far less capable. It watered down the idea
> and I
> >> shelved my Newton, then dropped off the list for some time, also hiving
> up
> >> on my 2100 PCB mapping project (for the sake of creating minimized
> designs).
> >>>
> >>> If the community needs a USB solution, what would be the preference?
> >> Internal card with port, Interconnect to USB end, or RS422 to USB? Seems
> >> like the last--which people are talking about here--is the easiest and
> >> cheapest solution. All three are doable, though those JAE ports are
> hard to
> >> find.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Jeff
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 06:47, Jake Bordens <jake at allaboutjake.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I recently purchased a FDTI serial cable for use in Mac OS Sierra and
> >> it worked without drivers.. I had a prolific-chipset cable but the
> driver
> >> was causing my machine to crash, so I decided to get the FDTI since it
> was
> >> more compatible, and apparently did not need drivers (though I do a lot
> of
> >> tinkering so its possible I had a driver installed for another device.
> >>>>
> >>>> I find it suspicious that it doesn’t show up as a USB device with a
> >> PID/VID in the profiler… that would indicate that it isn’t even showing
> up
> >> on the USB bus. However silly, maybe try a different USB cable,
> sometimes
> >> cheap USB cables are charge-only. I’ve gotten bitten by that before.
> >>>>
> >>>> Side note, I would like to acquire one of these “Adriano” dongles, if
> >> anyone has a stash of them and is willing to part with one. Would make
> >> development a little easier. My guess is that they are rare, and folks
> >> don’t want to part with them, and for that I’d understand.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >
> > --
> > -Jeff
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