Re: [NTLK] Apple's TIL retired - encore II

From: C.W. Otto Sohn (oky_at_avalon.net)
Date: Tue Aug 07 2001 - 15:37:08 EDT


Well, sure, you CAN get SOME of the old TIL articles that way (using
"search" with Knowledge Archive) but still, anything that returns something
like: ".../article.html?artnum=n12784" is per se NOT static URL (notice the
"?" before "artnum=..."). There are so many Newton (and other) articles
that used to be on TIL that are no longer accessible with Knowledge
Archive. BTW: A static URL would be something like this: "...
/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n12784" (no "?", no "=", etc.).

As I also pointed out earlier: in TIL you could BROWSE the Newton-relevant
articles (which used to give you a hierarchical menu).

This was something like this:

Newton
        MessagePads
                General
                eMate
                MP120
                MP130
                MP2x00
        OS
                General
                OS 2.0
                OS 2.1
                ...

and you expand any topic at will.

THAT REALLY WAS USEFUL.

Joost, can you recall how many TIL articles you had linked on your website?
It was definitely way more than the few that Apple's Knowledge Archive
returns with "search".

Come on, Apple screwed that up pretty badly. Try using Knowledge Archive,
search for "newton", open an article and try to click a link in that
article. Chances are that this link (which still links to a non-existing
static address) returns you to the Knowledge Archive (or even Knowledge
Base) homepage.

This is crap. How do you know that this dead-linked article doesn't have
the specific information you're looking for? Click all the links that
contain "newton" or whatever search you're doing? (and then don't get
anything in return b/c the article in question is gone/not
indexed/deleted...) I see better ways of spending my spare time!

Anyway, whether you call all this Knowledge Base stuff static or dynamic,
the matter of fact is that ALL Apple-relevant sites (by individuals or
other non-Apple groups/companies) now need to re-write all their former TIL
links. Is this really necessary? Well, even Apple should do re-linking
regarding the dead links from the old TIL articles. I guess they never
will, though.

Otto

>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:16:48 -0400
>From: "Laurent Daudelin" <laurent_daudelin_at_fanniemae.com>
>Subject: Re: [NTLK] Apple's TIL retired
>
>
>On Tuesday, August 7, 2001, at 02:10 PM, Victor Rehorst wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, J. van de Griek wrote:
>>
>>>> Honestly, with the static URL based TIL you'd just make a link on your
>>>> website that points EXACTLY at the "nxxxxx" article that answers that
>>>> specific question.
>>
>> Uhm, I don't know what you guys are talking about, but this still works
>> (for me at least). I go to http://karchive.info.apple.com. I search
>> for
>> 'newton'. I get a list of results. I click on the first link, which
>> is:
>>
>> http://karchive.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=n12784
>>
>> How is this not static?
>
>Works well for me. So what is all that fuss about?
>
>-Laurent.

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