Re: [NTLK] Convincing argument against MS

From: Steven (
Date: Wed Jun 12 2002 - 02:26:01 EDT


This was too funny... I would have loved to have been there when you
were writing this...all the vitriol must be seeping through your

When you wrote:

"And after all, Apple is in business to sell computers. .... I
think Apple's finally borrowing from Microsoft's book for a change

You made my point perfectly clear...Its all about $ALE$...even for

Thanks for the help and entertainment.

Steven (or should I sign it: Mr. Troll?)

(You are too funny, Bill)

-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of William B Davis
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 10:53 PM
Cc: William B Davis Jr
Subject: Re: [NTLK] Convincing argument against MS

> What's it called when Apple charges TOP dollar for their products and
> then drops them like hot potatoes? (NEWTON, Clones, various chips and
> software)

What's it called? REALITY. Ever hear of it? You don't think EVERY
OTHER COMPANY does that too? Wake up and smell the coffee.

Re: TOP Dollar: Hello, Troll!

Anyone who's awake (or at least has bothered to Check The Facts knows
this is a myth. $ for $, Apple products are usually cheaper in total
of ownership than competitors. You may pay more up front, but you pay
less in the long run. Don't believe it? Try the PC world for a while.

You'll be back. Grayer and poorer and with an ulcer.

Newton: Wasn't making money, had to go, I hate it too, but that's
business. I applaud Mr. Jobs for having the cojones to make the tough

Clones: Apple didn't make them, Mr. Troll. And they were stealing
share FROM Apple instead of expanding the market into other areas as
d hoped. Had to go. Otherwise you wouldn't have an Apple to complain


Chips and software: Can you be more specific? Otherwise.....we'll just

assume you're moaning because you occasionally have to buy new stuff.
Don't like it? No one's forcing you to buy it, nor does it make your
existing computer less useful all of a sudden.

> Is that called $erving $atisfied citizen$ ???

If it's the difference between staying in business and not: YES.

> I've got 3 older mac$ and one mac clone...none can run O$X...they are
> in the clo$et...

First: Why do they have to run OS X? Does not being able to run OS X
suddenly make them useless? Macs have a far longer useful life than
  but even PCs can be useful a long time, for the right user. Give 'em
friends, family, your grandma, etc, who don't have computers. (the Macs,

not the PC's. Friends don't let friends drive PCs). Donate 'em.

I was quite happy with OS9 on my PowerBook G3 from 1998, but upgraded
because I wanted to learn more about Unix, etc. Not because I needed
I didn't bother for over a year after it was released, but finally did
about a month ago. Most of my existing old non-firewire and non-usb
stuff works just fine, except for the floppy drive (for which there is a

3rd party driver) and the SCSI CD-R drive (which is SUPPOSED to work
Toast, but doesn't for some reason; may not be Apple or Roxio's fault -
could be the drive, I had't used it in quite a while anyway....and I
haven' t tried it under OS 10.1.5 yet. Apple's been adding support for
hardware consistently. My CF memory card in my PCMCIA adapter started
working again along about 10.1.3 or 10.1.4, for example. And my third

party USB and Firewire cards (not made by Apple) work dandy too.

Second: They must be pretty old Macs if the won't run OSX. Made in 1998

or earlier. You didn't mention that part, did you? I wonder why? My
FIVE YEAR OLD Apple Laptop runs OS X just fine. (How many PC users here

are using 5 year old machines as their primary machine? Or at all?)
One thing Apple may have done wrong over the years was support computers

from 10+ years before in their OSes. It didn't help them sales-wise.
after all, Apple is in business to sell computers. Hell, I've got Macs
built 10 years ago that can run OS9. Got any PC's build FIVE years
that can run an equivalently current PC OS? Much less 10 years old? I

think Apple's finally borrowing from Microsoft's book for a change here.

Sure, we'd all like our Mac Pluses from 1984 to run OS X.

Apple has finally wised up, and I'm happy to see it. I don't think
a new Mac every 5 years or so *IF* you want to keep up with the latest
greatest is too much to ask. Many, many folks buy new CARS more often
than that. It's not like Apple's forcing you to do it, either.

I may buy a PowerBook G4, but frankly, I'm waiting to see what 10.2
(Jaguar) will provide me before I spend the bucks. It may not be

> gue$$ it$ time to $pend more money on a new Apple and hope that $teven

> Job$ doe$n't di$continue it for another few month$ I'm $o happy that
> Apple is really about $erving the Cu$tomer

Oh please. If more self-proclaimed "loyal Mac owners" DID spend more
money on Apple products more often, perhaps they WOULDN'T have to cut
fat occasionally. Instead, you want to have your cake and eat it too.

"Please, Mr jobs, make my 5+ year old computer run the latest OS without

me having to spend any more $$$". Well, we've what ACTUALLY DOING THAT

has gotten Apple's market share. They've finally woken up to realize
they have to SELL PRODUCT in order to stay around and provide us with
product. (Wherease Micro$haft only stays around to sell us product, and
don't care about the quality of it.)

Don't like it? Don't let the door (or Window) hit you in the ass on
way out. And have fun crashing under Windows or figuring out how to get

your latest Linux kernel to compile.

It's been my experience that Apple has been among the best companies at
return on investment, product lifetime, and total cost of ownership.
complaintes are bogus and deserve being slapped down.

  - Bill

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